|Barked: Thu Nov 15, '12 4:02am PST |
|well i 1st want to say extremely sorry everyone, i am working on getting back to people in timely manner, being respectful
i want to say before i start, after reading through your replies and thinking about it myself i now understand that raw bone is different than cooked so by giving them 10% bone meal I am actually most likely, most definitely, overdosing them with calcium. this has stopped now.
hoyt: hey! that was my mistake. we DO cook boar thoroughly! i should have made that clarification! in addition we buy our meats in large quantities and meats are usually always frozen first! boar is always frozen first. i can't say it will always be exactly 2 months or longer, however as we see this is not an issue as boar is being cooked thoroughly!
ok yes, respectfully i am aware raw and cooked are different.
ok organ info is understood!
yes it's interesting i HAVE tried giving them raw chicken wings and such. they DID enjoy this and did sufficiently chew it all up! the problem is this whole "issue" also includes pieces of MY opinions and some days I just don't want a wolf for a dog if any of you would connect with me on that; I don't always like feeding raw food to dogs because my whole philosophy is about trying to steer the dogs away from that whole "wolf carnivore" idea and embracing who they are in THIS generation; that doesn't mean i want to feed them harmful foods. but i will stay away from focusing my post on these types of personal beliefs and such..
just sitting here thinking about this makes me realize this could actually be the way we go about this; some days do the bonemeal and others do the raw bones! On days we are doing raw bones I would wait the sufficient amount of time before giving them their cooked meal. awesome, this is definitely a way to go about this!
well thanks for your help, i'd like you to know i avoided going into your last paragraph because really we all have our opinions and beliefs. it's extremely hard to convey to you my whole life philosophy about this issue in words through a computer, but i wanted to leave you with this: just remember life is more than just feeding a creature what they were "designed" to eat when said creature created its whole life, its memories, its literal physical being was created eating the way it was before! like i said really this is more my philosophy on things so it's hard to convey, i believe that foods affect us physically and I have had first-hand experience with this (raw milk anyone?). food creates everything we are (including how we look). we eat and then we go make memories crafted with the nutrition of said food!
i don't always feel grains and veggies should be absent from a dog's diet unless of course dog doesn't want to eat! I would like to mention the quote about the baby and bathwater, i really believe it's not so much the grains (unless gmo) that should be removed, more-so the inhumane factory farmed crap that goes into kibble, the artificial colors, dies, meat and bone meal from inhumane literally gross sources!
hoyt i'd like to ask that I get back to you on this, because i'd actually like to go into my opinions and feelings on this, but i'd like to save this for another time because i can't get it all out yet! thank you for your help obviously the way you are feeding WORKS for your dogs, and that is all that matters about this, what WORKS for YOUR dogs with their situation! i have to throw in too really quick your quote about "their teeth aren't designed", sometimes life isn't always about having the proper teeth to digest something with! it's OK to eat/subsist/possibly adapt to something that you weren't evolved to eat. ok maybe we can chat about this more in depth and learn from each other, see ya!
bam-bam: hey! as trivial as this is i understand what you are saying. this isn't anything to do with "prey" or "raw" . . i will have to refer to it as a cooked diet absent of vegetables or grains, but including cooked bone! There will be some raw bone used for calcium as well!
maxwell: wow i want to first say i am extremely sorry! you have been very kind in responding to my previous posts! i am sorry i let those topics go, that is not right to ignore all of you like that. basically she ended up dying and for reasons i would not like to go into right now it made me feel worse to go back and look-up those topics and try and respond! sorry..
Yea I would suggest trying the method, pretty interesting. Only problem is we don't know HOW much to give of said bone! We'd have to get the bones analyzed for calcium content which is making me think maybe I should just stick with raw chicken wings and such for calcium portion of diet! Yes the liquid has calcium in it too, what happens is if you run out of the cooked bone and don't have anymore, the liquid can be poured over meat and the liquid contains the calcium! Pretty cool. Again, with all of this, as I am typing this am realizing because I would probably never be able to get bone analyzed I would never know how much calcium I am feeding my dogs. I could speak with a vet.. What I might find out from either research, speaking with vet, or possibly actually going to get bone analyzed, is that there doesn't need to be a PERFECT tsp amount of bone meal, you can vary it for example per pound of meat 1/2 - 3/4 tsp and as long as I stay in this range I will be fine. Again, I will have to research this issue further . .
Ok organs more important variety of meat less important got it!
Yes I sense you on the issue of doing something like 3/4 meat 1/4 veggies. It's actually interesting like I've been saying I would like my dogs to eat more types of carbs and such, it was shocking when I did the experiment of placing each type of food in it's own space/bowl and let the dogs choose what they wanted to eat! When I first started out doing this for them I was doing the dogaware cooked diet so I was including a small amount of veggies and grains, and they WERE eating it then. What happened was I tested out serving them veggies, grains, by themselves and I found they never bothered with stuff like that!
I will start putting out offerings of carbs everyday here and there and see if this sparks their interest, otherwise we will stick with just meat and bones, table scraps of course!
Ok so you would do veggies for stool bulk, I can do that too. Of course bones are what firms up the stool as well, I'm sure you're aware of that.
I will look into your resources right away, thank you immensely for linking me all of those! Ok well loose stool might be occurring. One dog had his anal glands emptied and of course it probably came to be this way because of how I was feeding him. Now that he is getting proper bone and such I will keep an eye on their stools!
Yes I will keep making it better, that's what we do here
well very nice to speak with you thank you again!
i will post again when I can you guys are awesome I have been a member of various forums throughout these years and this one is truly a *gem*
See ya guys Thank you
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