|Mocha Bear- (Mokie),- VGG, KPA, |
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|Barked: Thu Aug 23, '07 5:33pm PST |
|It sounds like sarcoptic mange.
I've actually done a bit of reading on this today, so here's what I found:
I’ve read that sarcoptic mange can only be confirmed through skin scrapings in about 20 -50% of all dogs that suffer from SM. A lot of websites seem to say that, since it is so difficult to diagnose, the standard method of addressing sarcoptic mange is by doing a “maybe mange” test, which actually means that they treat for SM for two to four weeks to see if the symptoms subside. If they do, they assume it’s mange and continue with treatment, if not, they look for other possible reasons behind the itchiness.
Another diagnostic method suggested on this page: http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/mites.html is called the Pinna-Pedal Reflex test.
In over 95% of dogs with Sarcoptic Mite infestation (Scabies) a simple test can suggest that these mites are present. It is called the Pedal-Pinna Reflex Test. Since almost all dogs with Scabies mites will have mites along the ear flap (called the Pinna) margins, as displayed in some of the photos below, the dog will reflexively use a back leg in a scratching motion if the Pinna is scratched gently by a person testing this reflex. Simply take the Pinna between your thumb and forefinger and vigorously scratch the surface of the underside of the Pinna with the forefinger. Dogs with no mites seldom work the back leg in a scratching motion. Dogs with sarcoptic mites almost always will demonstrate an involuntary scratching motion with the back leg while you are scratching the Pinna.
Also, if the dogs were to have mites, would it be reasonable to assume they are on the cats as well? Most sites seem to suggest that all animals in the house should be treated for SM.
Anyone have experience with skin scrapings at the vets? It sounds so painful. They recommend “deep skin scraping” (ouch!?) in 12 or more places on the body, and even that is “iffy” on giving you any real diagnosis.
Symptoms that lead me to agreeing with the suggestion that it may be SM: crusty scrabs and lesions, balding in arm pits, frequent scratching around ears, belly, and back of hind legs.
Here are common treatments for SM:
Dips: paramite dip, mitaban dip, lime-sulfer dips given weekly. Often used in combination with other treatments. (Often dogs are bathed in benzoyl peroxide before dips) I worry about this, because the dips are very harsh and irritating, and for them to be effective, you have to get in the face and ears of the dogs, which sucks. Also, I think that the weekly bathing/dipping routine, particularly with what they’re suggesting, would only enhance the dryness issues I’ve noted in their coats. The dips can be very toxic, and some cases of mange are resistant to the dips.
Ivermectin: (not yet approved by the FDA for this purpose). Weekly or biweekly injections in 1 – 4 doses. Used at much higher concentrations for mite control than in the standard monthly preventives. Antibiotics and corticosteroids in addition to Ivermectin are often prescribed.
Revolution: useful for control of fleas, roundworms, hookworms, ticks, ear mites and sarcoptic mange mites.
Frontline: Apparently, one dose is usually all that is needed.
Interceptor/Sentinel: used in monthly heartworm treatments.
Treatment of the house with insecticides is also recommended.
I also found this:
"The best cure for dog mange is to mix a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution with water and add borax. Dissolve thoroughly. Wash the dog with it once a week. Do NOT WASH THE solution left on the dog with ANY WATER. Do not wipe the dog dry. The solution will take effect on mange. The treatment period should not be longer than a month or two. The dog will probably not be resistant as the treatment is painless. This has worked well for me."
"However, I do recommend a less toxic form of borax, which is sodium perborate if you can find one. The secret is that borax (plus hydrogen peroxide) will work better then most other remedies I have tried, this includes mineral oil, neem oil (no, neem oil does not kill the mange as effectively as sodium perborate) I have tried it. In my "mange colonies" and commercial brands to kill insects don't work. Hydrogen peroxide DOES NOT KILL mange, I USED IT SIMPLY USED IT AS A CATALYST for ordinary borax in case you cannot obtain sodium perborate. Mineral oils simply prevent oxygen from reaching mange, but that didn't stop it. I have tried naphta, bentonite clays, DMSO, potassium permanganate, light fluid, etc. They all worked temporarily, and it just came back. I must make a strong statement that the formula (borax+h2o2 or sodium perborate) works bests and it is broad spectrum. You can use it to control mange, mites, fleas, and lyme disease (initiated by those crawly insects). I have actually compared side to side with neem oil, mineral oil, apple cider vinegar and others here in Bangkok and this is the most wide spectrum cure I have found. Borax prevents denaturation of DNA/RNA in dogs and I currently use this as life extension for dogs. For example a ribose sugar, deoxyribose sugar, and various sugar that causes accelerated aging in dogs can be slowed down with supplementation of dogs indirectly when you do the borax wash. "
"Prepare peroxide 1% solution, add 2-3 tablespoon of borax to that cup. Stir and wait for a couple of minutes for the borax to dissolve. The formula doesn't require an exact science. The importance is to add enough borax until the solution is no longer soluble and well past saturation."
"...The reason why it is not working is YOU CANNOT RINSE THE DOG OF borax and peroxide solution with any shampoo or water. After bathing the dog, keep the dog that way, no drying no rinsing. This is why the dog has not improved. Also BORAX is added DIRECTLY to the 1% hydrogen peroxide solution and no water is added separately, otherwise the solution is too weak."
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