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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 9:18am PST 
Oh my, people really try pinning down their buns?frown I have a small rabbit, and he currently gets to be our class pet. He loves being petted and given treats, but I make sure every single child knows to be gentle with him, not to push down on him...and no one is allowed to pick him up/hold him (there are times I'll put him on their laps when they are sitting quietly, or he will hop up to them if they sit still-he loves it when it is time for reading circle ). A bit extreme perhaps, some rabbits love to be held. But mine hates it (I believe his previous owner forced to lay on his back while she held him), so I do not see the point of forcing it on him, and I teach the children to respect the animal's wishes-even if they want to hold him (you don't always get what you want anyhoo). snoopy Even Snoopy the dog knows how to be gentle with bunnies. big grin

I love cats too, even my dog likes cats...maybe having cats in control would be a good thing? It could take care of any rat or mole problems...kitty

~Twister
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Buster

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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 9:21am PST 
The funniest version of this animal is trying to dominate you I have ever heard was a bearded dragon laugh out loud. It was unhandled and not used to humans so of course the solution is to pin in down by one hand on the back of its neck.

Pinning a rabbit is a bad idea frown they go to play dead mode and their heart rate and breathing shoot up, it was the only way I could get mine to stay still long enough to trim his nails for ages. But they can be evil Buster is terrified of my rabbit Leo because he annoyed him one too many times and got bit on the nose. I got Leo after he spent 6 months of his life in a small cage he was completely unhandled and unsocialised I have the scars to prove it.

I've heard people with parrots saying keep them below your eye level or they will become dominant. The person saying it was a vet who to another family advocated everyone including the small children alpha roll their new puppy everyday to make sure he knows his place naughty. The parrot's problem was that he was a macaw and he was kept in a tiny cage in a living room with little exercise or stimulation.

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Trigger

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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 10:02am PST 
Here is the one my son frequents C:
http://www.binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/Default.aspx

They only support rescue, they are fairly busy, everyone is knowledgeable and friendly and the information he's gotten there has helped me to help him take better care of his bun (he's only 8 but is already wonderful at questioning and challenging the vet beyond just taking her stock recommendations) way to go
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Augusta,- CGC, RN

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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 10:43am PST 
I pity the fool who tries to alpha roll a cat . . . . .laugh out loud They probably won't try twice . . . .naughty
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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 10:47am PST 
Twister - One of the ladies on there said she does it to her buns all the time. silenced

Buster - Callie, my female Lionhead was left in her cage constantly, and was only brought out to play with her previous owners two year old who would pick her up and THROW her. There were also a number of times when her water bottle would be empty for DAYS, and she would pee all over her cage because her owners wouldn't clean her litter box. I felt sooo bad for her. When I took her in, she was VERY afraid of people, so it took a lot of work. Now I can pet her without her trying to run off and hide. Parrots too though? Omg... My fiance's foster parents had a Macaw. Beautiful bird and incredibly sweet too.

Thanks so much Trigger! I haven't checked that one out yet. Both my buns are rescues, too, so that's awesome.

Augusta - I do too, haha. Charlie had a cat about the same size as him, attack him once. Let's just say... Nobody escaped unscathed.smile
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Buster

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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 10:52am PST 
The whole keep parrots below your eyeline seems pretty common sadly frown. They're such wonderful birds so intelligent and loving but people just get them because they're so pretty without realising just how much work they are.

That's similar to Leo he doesn't like being petted much but he will come and lean on you and lick any bare skin he can reach, I'm convinced it's so he can watch me jump
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Opheila

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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 12:44pm PST 
From what I understand Cesar came to his senses some on the dominance stuff. Trying to force "Alpha" on any species is so needless. Even in training dogs for war the emphasis is complete cooperation with it's handler not "me human you dog". The heirarchy of the house can kind of create itself. Callie recognize my husband as the Alpha just because of his size and voice. When he isn't home Callie obeys me but assumes the role of guarding us until Daddy Alpha is back. None of that was forced on anyone, it just developed by itself.
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Trigger

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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 1:02pm PST 
"I pity the fool who tries to alpha roll a cat . . . . .laugh out loud They probably won't try twice . . . .naughty"

My cats wouldn't care about the roll, but they would demand belly rubs as reward for their compliance....to be delivered promptly or else of course wink
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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 3:19pm PST 
Confession time...I have pinned down one of my cats before. Ah, Tornado! He was my main man. Chasing dogs out of the yard, swatting at my DA shepherd, and staring holes into your soul. He was the only cat I had a healthy fear of.cloud 9 I did pin him down one time (didn't roll him, that would be suicideshock , though he also liked belly rubs on his own terms), but he was trying to go after my other cat so I held him down until he calmed down. I was surprised he didn't turn on me when I let him up (though I am the only one in my family he has never bitten), but he just flicked his tail, and acted like he hadn't been up to no good in the first place. Like, whatever. kitty

My sister's cat, who I bottle-fed, and aptly named Cyclone...(I'm starting to figure out not to give animals names they could potentially live up to)...is the terror of all their land. He reigns you in with a sweet act, purrs in your arms, then with a twinkle in his eye grabs your arm in his paws and CHOMPS on you! Such fun. He has fun playing with the dogs though, Twister likes him and Echo fears him.

Caution: Sad tale. Since I'm confessing...I love rabbits. I really do, even when I was quite little I did. But...one time my brother (who also loves rabbits) and I were spending time with our rabbits on the roof (where we lived the roofs are flat and walled), and my brother being the curious child he was (I was just there, I claim no responsibility in this shh )wanted to know if rabbits landed on their feet like cats do. So he dropped both the rabbits over the side of the wall. They do not land on their feet like cats do...and to say the least, we made our dad (and the rest of our family) very unhappy with us. silenced

So...yeah...don't leave small children and pets unattended.

~Twister
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Natasha - 美花- ~Beautiful- Flower~

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Barked: Tue Nov 20, '12 4:21pm PST 
Ah, Tornado! cloud 9 I miss that angry furball! I still have the scar on my thumb where he bit me as a kitten. It's hard to see, but it's there. He always reminded me of Buster (childhood rabbit), their personalities were so similar.

I think if someone is going to get an animal, they need to do as much research as possible into the species, they need to keep it in a species appropriate environment, feed it a species appropriate diet, and species appropriate training. Clicker training is the only method I know of that can be successfully used with different species of animal. Dolphins, horses, dogs, cats, and rabbits have all been successfully trained using that method.

The only problem with it is the click sometimes scares timid animals. I tried clicker training my oldest sisters dog, Echo, and she freaked out the first time she heard the click and since then, she associated that sound and clicker with evil. Every time she saw me pick up the clicker, she would tuck tail and run from me. I would assume a timid rabbit or other critter might possibly react the same way. But, it really is the only universal training method I'm aware of.

I'm not an expert on rabbits by any stretch of the imagination, I just love them. But, no one has to be an expert on rabbits to realize that pinning and alpha rolling a rabbit in order to show it you're the boss in the house is just plain stupid. It doesn't take an expert on rabbit behavior to realize that the rabbit you've just pinned or rolled on it's back is probably having a panic attack thinking it's about to die. Good luck with trust issues from now on! It's a great way to turn a gentle rabbit into a raging monster who will attack anything that tries to touch it.

I do put Ava onto her back on my lap in order to clip her nails, but I do it slowly and gently and if she shows the slightest fear, I let her turn over. This last time I clipped her nails I was able to clip all of them without her wanting to get up and she even fell asleep! cloud 9 I always look at it as a personal victory if I can get a rabbit to trust me.
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