Why don't people like controlling their dogs...?

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Seven Seas- of Rhye

Stark's Seven- Seas of Rhye
Barked: Tue May 21, '13 7:49pm PST 
Before I go on, let me just say that I have nothing against the "dangerous" breeds. In fact, being the daughter of a dog trainer and handler, we've had a few Staffies and Rotties growing up. But we never ever let them get out of hand like these two people have let their dogs get.

One evening I was walking Rhye, who was seven or eight months old at the time, around the block when we approached a Rottie who appeared to be chained to a tree by a 20 or so foot long towing chain. As we got closer, the dog slowly began approaching us but I could clearly see a chain and an owner in the yard so I didn't think much of it. Bad mistake, because turns out the chain wasn't connected to anything and the dog was left to just drag it around.

By the time I noticed the large dog barreling towards us I had just enough time to react before he was in biting range. My first instinct was to grab my defenseless little Collie pup, who not only had not the strength nor the skill to defend either one of us, but by then had become too heavy for me to carry. I pushed him has far back behind me as his short slip-lead would allow and braced myself for the impact. But instead of going for the martyr, the Rottie ran around me and continued its initial course after Rhye, binding himself to me with his chain in the process.

Fortunately, I now had the dog by the chain so I felt safe releasing Rhye as he ran to safety. Unfortunately, I am a small lady, weighing in at ninety seven and I could not stop him from dragging me. My initial fear of protecting Rhye quickly evaporated to form a new wave of terror: I now had a mad dog bound flush against my body. I grabbed the dog by the collar and made an attempt to push him off me, but he responded by snapping at my arm. Primitive defenses set in and I slugged him in the maw, but it didn't phase him. A neighbor who had been going to his car ran over finally and pulled him off me to end the madness. Mind you, the owner of this unmannerly beast was less than five yards away, yet she did not even call this dog's name once. She literally sat and watched as her dog attempted to tear into a defenseless little puppy and then gets down from her porch, approaches me still on the ground, gets in my face and begins swearing and yelling at me for punching her dog. How does that work? Had I done anything wrong?

Now a few months ago, now at two and a half, ninety six pounds and unaltered, Rhye is much more defensive of his property. We're on our way home from the vet when a random Pit Bull bolts out in front of my car. I politely stop and wait for him to pass but instead, the damn thing jumps up at my open window and snaps at me. Startled, I floored the gas but had to brake again because, once again, he ran in front of my vehicle. This time Rhye pokes his head out the window and gives a warning growl and then it was all over. The Pit Bull whips around, attempts to climb in the window after Rhye who then makes a victory leap from the window and stands between my car and the Pit Bull, daring him to move closer.

Once again, even though the owners are clearly right there watching in the driveway, I have to go handle the situation myself as I usher my Collie back into the car and stupidly in a fit of rage and fueled by adrenaline, charge up the driveway to give the owner a piece of my mind. Not only because of his dog's atrocious behavior, but he had tore up the side of my pristine '95 DeVille which I love as much as my dog. The Pit Bull looked ridiculous, though, because for some reason he had no front teeth... It's a good thing he had no front teeth, because twice he attached himself to my leg. And once again, I am told it was all my fault and that I need to control my animal.

There have been a half dozen or so close encounters with those and a few other loose dogs as well, many of which an owner was always present yet did nothing. Am I just an overly-crazy dogmom, or are these people really genuinely absolutely insane for thinking their dog attacking mine or myself is my fault? Granted, I suppose I could have controlled my dog better on account of him leaping from the car like he did but in my panic I had no time to think to close his window. So, what do you think I should have done better in these situations? I'm not sure if I'm just a magnet for these type of accidents or if I am actually doing something wrong.

forever loved
Barked: Tue May 21, '13 8:04pm PST 
Call AC and report the attacks, don't just 'talk' to the owners, because nothing will change.
Seven Seas- of Rhye

Stark's Seven- Seas of Rhye
Barked: Tue May 21, '13 8:07pm PST 
I did, the first one was disregarded because the owner of the property didn't even know the dog was present nor did he allow dogs to be owned by his tenants. I saw three lawyers about it, nobody would do anything to help. All they did was quarantine it for a week.

Edited by author Tue May 21, '13 8:08pm PST


Jackson Tan

Lad about town
Barked: Tue May 21, '13 10:38pm PST 
All I can say is I feel your pain. My dog is a hapless stooge who can growl but not much else. He is almost too heavy for me to lift. I have kicked dogs before to keep them from him whilst the owner watched on, then been screamed at. Animal control is just useless here too. I think this is a problem a lot of responsible owners have to deal with, and I'm flabbergasted people can be so irresponsible as well!

When the night- closes in I will- be there
Barked: Tue May 21, '13 11:40pm PST 
I feel for you. I live on the edge of an industrial area in a not fantastic neighborhood. For the first six months or so of her life Shadow had to contend daily with the nasty Golden that lived next door and was forever loose. Yup a mean Golden, shocked me to. It attacked anyone it came across and sent two small dogs to the e vet with serious injuries, yet repeated pleas to AC yielded nothing.
In and around this time was the yard dog down the hill, an old Rottie that is responsible for at least one neighborhood pups demise. He got hold of young Shadow one day, forcing me to connect boot to head. I finally got him to drop my little girl, tossed her into someone's truck box and unleashed all of a protective Mama's fury on the still hellbent attacker. The dog is still around, still runs loose(I watched it grab someone's dog on Saturday), and AC still does nothing.
Then we got the attitudal BC cross to replace the dummies with the Golden. She was a treasure. Bit me twice getting into my car, attacked Shadow and made a short lived attempt at Sabs. She actually attempted a few times to jump into my yard. AC? Yup, nothing.
Their excuse in all of this? We need to catch them at large OR we need proof that that dog attacked you or your dog sufficiently badly to cause provable injury. Are you kidding me?
I finally got them to come out for the BC by offering to catch her for them, with the bumper of my car, if she ever came near me or my dogs again. They gave the owners a warning, and a fine for no license.

It ain't over- till the fat- kitty sings
Barked: Wed May 22, '13 6:16am PST 
I'm sorry you had to go through such a situation, things like that can stay with you for a long time. Fortunately the only loose dog as of late was a shepard that ran down his driveway unleashed and right up to Callie. I just held my breath not knowing what to do.

He has never shown aggression towards other dogs. On the other hand if he did get into a conflict he has a mouth twice the size of Sophiesshock The dogs owners came up to us. The wife was petrified, but the husband happy talked both dogs and I got Callie out of there. Left me rattled for the rest of the walk even though nothing happened.

forever loved
Barked: Wed May 22, '13 7:24am PST 
Well, that stinks. Maybe try keeping a camera on hand??shrug
I about 'caught a dog with my bumper' the other day when I was out looking for Twist. One of my neighbors have an aggressive Pyrenees (who I'm pretty sure is the one who killed our rabbits and attacked Twister) who came rushing out at my car, and it was very tempting to..um..swerve, but I settled with honking my horn in anger.puppy

Akita Pals- Always.
Barked: Wed May 22, '13 11:03am PST 
We currently seem to have an epidemic of loose and in many cases agressive dogs in my neighborhood right now and I feel your pain.

I too am tired of having to be the victim of lazy and irresponsible pet owners.

Akitas have a very bad name in my neighborhood due to one irresponsible person who had one years ago and I have fought a very uphill battle to prove that they can be well behaved,well trained,and social members of society in the right hands. I still have to deal with irresponsible owners of other less maligned breeds blaming their dogs bad behaviors on mine. Before we got our fence my Mika was attacked 3 different times by the same Golden Retriever from 3 houses down,each time even though witnesses said otherwise the owners of the Golden blamed my Mika for starting the agressive behavior. I have had to deal with dogs rushing out of their yards attacking mine on walks as well and in spite of mine being well trained enough to listen when we tell them to "leave it" and just move on with their walk I have had more than one owner of a loose dog threaten to sue me if they find any injuries on their dog even though mine have not even sniffed them. The worst offender in my neighborhood is owned by someone on our city council so AC and the police fearing that they could lose their jobs won't even respond to calls about her dog and it has bitten at least 4 people and attacked multiple dogs. I wish I had some advice for you,the only thing I can say is don't be afraid to protect yourself in any way necessary.wishes

14- Years- Young!
Barked: Wed May 22, '13 2:13pm PST 
I feel ya.

I actually had a run in with a neighbors’ not so friendly dog yesterday while out walking, I wretched my shoulder pretty good by grabbing the dogs’ collar and trying to keep it off my dog. When I called to the guy to come get his dog and put it on a leash he got nasty and yelled that I need to ‘watch my dog’ when I go by his house (uh, my dog isn’t the problem here, she’s on leash and under control) and he doesn’t have to obey leash laws because he’s a farmer?! (Lamest excuse I’ve heard yet for being an irresponsible dog owner.)

Anyway, I know that it’s like pulling teeth to get a response from animal control, but keep their number in your phone, carry it with you on walks. Also look into a deterrent spray like THIS. I’ve never had to use it, but it will make you feel better knowing you have it.

Miss- Pig!
Barked: Wed May 22, '13 3:20pm PST 
I can't really relate as thankfully, living in a small village, and with nearly every property fenced here, dogs escaping from yards and terrorizing others is seldom an issue. But it does amaze me how the owners could watch on without doing anything to help. I mean, it just beggars belief really, that anyone could just stand by while their dog runs off down the road after other people/cars etc. My heart would be in my throat should any of my dogs ever escape and i'd sure as hell not be standing around waiting for the worst to happen.
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