|Barked: Sun Dec 2, '12 8:35am PST |
I was hoping to hear a balanced view on both sides of the fence here, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I tried to remain open as possible during this discussion but i'll sit this out from now on because i'm not into biased discussion.
I don't really understand this. Lou is giving you his side, which is how effective the ecollar can be when used correctly and explaining how to use it appropriately. The other side of that fence says that the ecollar is inhumane. How is Lou supposed to argue both sides? He can't. If a balanced discussion is what you want, can't you contribute to the discussion in a balanced way without getting personal with someone who has an opposing viewpoint?
I'd also like to add that for a long time now it has been nearly impossible to have a balanced discussion on this method because of the bloodbath that ensues when anyone dares to bring it up publicly in a positive light. I'm a member of several wonderful dog forums. When I went looking for information on the appropriate use of ecollars, I quickly realized that I was pretty much on my own. Searches for "proper use of electronic collar" would inevitably bring up what was supposed to be comical youtube videos showing an annoying human being zapped, or numerous threads on forums like this where the asker was drawn, quartered, tarred, and feathered. I imagine that such a reaction time and time again is rather frustrating for both ecollar trainers and the pet owners who want to use them properly.
You (general you) don't have to like the method. You don't have to use the method. BUT, there needs to be room for more calm, factual, and yes, balanced discussions on this method because people WILL use this method. And they need to know HOW to do that. Frankly, shouting/shutting down one of the few good trainers who publicly talks about the proper ways to use the ecollar is a very bad idea. People need to be educated on how to use this method correctly. We need good trainers for that.
My brother's dog is a classic example of what happens to a dog when information on the proper use of an ecollar is scarce. This happened around 5 years ago, and I didn't know about it until recently when he tried to "teach me" how to use an ecollar. His method, and what he thought you were supposed to do, was to wait until the dog did something wrong, crank up the dial a bit, and zap them hard. That's what happened to this beautiful collie when he went into the trash. When I explained to him that that was NOT how you used them, and explained how you were supposed to use them, he was horrified at what mental damage (not to mention pain) he must have done to that dog. That is what happens to DOGS when people don't have the knowledge to use this tool correctly.
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