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Behavior & Training > Henry's recall training- am I being unreasonable now?
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
Learning is- changing what we- do
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 | | Barked: Mon Dec 14, '09 12:47pm PST | |  | |  | | Henry, I wouldn't just reward it, I would jackpot it. Make it really worth his while to come to you.
I would do at least 20 seconds of high value reinforcement, including praise, food, play and affection each and every time he comes to you right now. Of course, if he comes to you immediately, bump that to a full minute. |  |  | |  |
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 » There has since been 4 posts. Last posting by Henry CGC, Today 4:15 pm
Behavior & Training > Extreme fear in dog-long post - sorry!
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
Learning is- changing what we- do
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 14, '09 12:29pm PST | | | | | | He was probably too afraid to eat. It's not unusual. I have a BC client that didn't even come into the room with me the first time we met. I kept putting meatballs in the doorway and letting him "steal" them and run away.
His owners told me the same thing, he could not be motivated by food, but we fixed that. Now he begs at the dinner table (and they really like that, so all is well).
It can be frustrating when you are up against a fellow trainer with conflicting advice, but I would have taken the needs of the owner into consideration. It really sounds like this dog needs a behaviorist rather than a trainer? | | | | |
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» There has since been 3 posts. Last posting by Sanka, Today 2:51 pmBehavior & Training > Benny bit my niece tonight, seemingly unprovoked. This is not his first offense. We don\'t know what
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
Learning is- changing what we- do
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 14, '09 12:04pm PST | | | | | | Regardless of whether he is fearful of people or of whether he is resource guarding, the principle and approach of desensitization and CC is the same. Gradually creating a pleasant emotional experience for the dog.
I really agree with this. Asher's first bite was to my face. He did NOT like faces (or hands) near his face at all. I started with CC (I did a LOT of feeding from my mouth to his) and went to OC (Ash still ALWAYS gets reinforced for giving kisses).
I don't need to know why he doesn't like faces in his, I just need to know it is a trigger.
Benny, only you know what you can handle. I know I own a biter. My trainer (Ali Brown who wrote Scaredy Dog) knows she owns a biter. Two years ago, I had a grandson. A year and a half ago Ali had a daughter. We both thought long and hard about what we were going to do. We were both told time and time again it would not work. We both were filled with doubts and considered the possible outcomes.
Both of us choose to work with our dogs and the children and both of us have seen progress. When you have a child in the picture it is inevitable that management will break down. I know it recently happened with me when Christian fell over Asher. Shortly before that the same thing happened with Ali's daughter and one of her dogs. Both dogs reacted magnificently. They are capable of things we would never dream they can do.
but it could have been very different. We both work with our dogs on this issue regularly. We stay with it.
The reason Ash is mine is because he is a biter. As a rescue, we could not adopt him out, it is a liability. While you may be able to find a rescue that will owrk with Benny, it will not be easy.
If you find you can not cope with his issues, look for a rescue, be honest with his issues. If you can't find one, then you should hold him in your own arms and send him to the bridge.
Whatever you decide to do, it is only your decision and no one can judge you for it. | | | | |
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» There has since been 7 posts. Last posting by Tennessee, Today 4:21 pmBehavior & Training > Pulling when not in heel
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 14, '09 9:39am PST | | | | | | Usually when we walk, we are working, so it is heel position.
However, it sounds like you have trained heel but not loose leash.
Find a different cue and go back to square one and train loose leash. Alternatively, you couls just C/T before he gets to the end of the leash. It would require rapid fire feeding, then clicking, but I use it when I have big post reinforcement dips while training LLW. | | | | |
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» There has since been 3 posts. Last posting by Pepper, Today 10:23 amBehavior & Training > Benny bit my niece tonight, seemingly unprovoked. This is not his first offense. We don\'t know what
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 14, '09 9:35am PST | | | | | | Living with a biter is a full time job. There is far too little information here to give any practical advice.
But let me say this. Benny may have several triggers. Independantly, they may not exceed his bite threashold, but, when combined they may. This may be why Benny seems to be fine for so long then has an incident.
Do have a vet check done.
And I agree with Laila, it does not sound like you have done sufficient counter conditioning. Have you been working with a behaviorist the whole 6 years? | | | | |
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» There has since been 21 posts. Last posting by Tennessee, Today 4:21 pm
Behavior & Training > Regarding praise as a reinforcer
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
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| | Barked: Mon Dec 14, '09 9:25am PST | | | | | | Tia, where do you find Jean Donaldson calling out anyone by name in The Culture Clash? Even in her more recent book, Oh Behave, she has two small sections where she discusses the fallacy of dominance based training and devotes the rest of the book to outlining methods and methodologies for modifying some fairly difficult behaviors. I would like to see more step by step methodologies written out by her detractors rather than just bashing her.
I find her critique of Cesar to be much milder than yours of people with whom you disagree. I have not heard her call well respected trainers extremists.
Of course, she does work with many more dogs than most of us will in our lifetimes and manages to save an awful lot of them. That alone seems to be a defining criteria for many here, so she certainly deserves credit for it.
As to her feelings on praise as a reinforcer, I am with her on the fact that dogs do not find praise inherantly reinforcing. We often expect our dogs to work only for praise and if they don't there must be something wrong with them. I think that is sad. | | | | |
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» There has since been 1 post. Last posting by Tia, Today 1:23 pmBehavior & Training > What should I do?!!!
» There has since been 4 posts. Last posting by Kahuna, Today 10:37 amBehavior & Training > I won't fetch
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
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| | Barked: Sun Dec 13, '09 1:48pm PST | | | | | | I'm going to take a slightly difference stance on that, Sandy.
It took me 2 and a half years to teach Ash to retreive. Ash came to me with a real aversion to taking anything in his mouth. He does not play with toys and if it is not food (or a food related chew), he does not pick it up.
For all that people scoff at the idea of anything scientific in dog training, I broke it down. It's just behavior.
I started with targeting objects. Ash got stuck there for a long, long time, he would target and even mouth but not pick anything up.
Then, one day, out of the blue, he decided he could do it with one specific object. Once he would pick up something in his mouth, the rest was easy. I taught him to take something from hand A, clicked the take, which caused him to drop the object. I made sure I caught it in hand B. After he had that, I started only clicking after he had dropped it, making sure to catch it. Then I only clicked what landed in my hand. Then I started moving my hand so he had to find it to deliver the object.
All of that was done in a sitting position.
I started holding the object closer and closer to the ground for him to pick up and drop in the other hand, then laying it on the ground while I touched it, then just laying it on the ground. Then I started moving it further away.
In known environments, Ash will turn, sit in heel, go out on cue, pick up the object, return, sit in front, deliver it to my hand and finish. We are still working on generalizing this to new locations and in new locations, it does cause him stress to pick something up, but he is getting better and learning to enjoy this exercise. | | | | |
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» There has since been 8 posts. Last posting by , Today 10:51 amSports & Agility > Rally-O Questions
» There has since been 2 posts. Last posting by Maggie RE CGC, Today 12:44 am
Behavior & Training > Chingu progress report and doggy prozac, anyone use it?
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ARCHX Asher,- RL1X, RL2X,- RL3
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| | Barked: Sun Dec 13, '09 10:20am PST | | | | | | Chingu, I love my vet but she once told me that Ash must be the dominant dog in my house because of the way he acted during nail clippings  .
The fact is that there will always be people out there telling you your dog is dangerous or because it has exibited human aggression it should be culled, trying to demean you accomplishments and make you feel like you are harboring a dangerous animal.
Don't listen to them, listen to your heart. Only you know what you can handle.
I would suggest setting a firm limit, a line in the sand so to speak. Again, only you know what this is. Is it one bite? One bit a week? Lunging aggressively? Only you know that and only you need to know that, but do know the limit of what you can handle.
And stay positive. When I first got Ash, I couldn't touch above his neck, touch his tail, certain spots on his back were trigger points, I couldn't take ahold of his collar. Now, he sleeps in my arms like a baby and gives me kisses when I stop scratching him. It IS a lot of work, you will be constantly managing and adjusting, but have faith.
Oh, and maybe look for another vet? | | | | |
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