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Raw Food Diet > Substituting?
Ginger

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Barked: Thu Dec 18, '14 8:54am PST 
From what I have seen premades may not be made to add meat to but they are too bony. Even so you would be stuck feeding half premade and half meaty stuff/some organ. Expensive!

What about getting a hammer and smashing the bony bit up? You could cut things like chicken necks or ribs into small chunks for him. Marinate the yucky chicken bony stuff in pork/beef juices?

Turkey wings are for dogs that are good at crunching up bone, not for dogs getting used to raw. Turkey necks are super yummy, perhaps he would want to eat one of those?
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Raw Food Diet > Two 9 year olds and one 1 year old...should I switch them to raw feeding?
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Barked: Thu Dec 18, '14 8:47am PST 
Max stopped tolerating raw when he was 13 years old so I started cooking for him. Possibly your older dogs would do the same. Cooking is a lot of work and also worth it. I actually fed him the same way I did on raw with the addition of some grain as he did better with rice than pureed veggies. Same chicken, beef, pork, organs! I even cooked the chicken bones slowly so they could be pureed in the food processor so he got real bone!

I hope I never have to feed my dog commercial food again. Fresh food is much better so long as you are able to do it right. Ginger is currently thriving on it same as Max did for 5 years.

Go for it! Read and plan and virtual shop until you are sure you understand how it is done first.
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Raw Food Diet > Skin problems despite clean diet

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Barked: Thu Dec 18, '14 8:40am PST 
Bet it is environmental allergy. Ginger has flea allergy and raw hasn't helped that at all! I do give her vitamin E and fish oil same as I would a dog fed any other way. She gets a bath half way between Comfortis pills that seem to help her as well.
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Raw Food Diet > am i eating to much?

Ginger

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Barked: Thu Dec 18, '14 8:33am PST 
Just keep your hands on him to be sure you aren't overfeeding him if he is digesting all that food okay. You want to easily feel all his ribs, backbone, chest bone, shoulder blades and hip bones but not see any but a few back ribs.

An older dog might need the extra food but more likely he just wants to get as much of it inside as he can while it is available. Unless he starts bile vomiting I would feed to condition rather than desire. My dogs have always wanted to eat more than they were given but they would get fat if I did that.
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Raw Food Diet > How much do you spend on raw?

Ginger

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Barked: Thu Dec 18, '14 8:26am PST 
Ginger is 14 pounds and gets 4-5 ounces of raw food a day. I just put a cap on spending at $2.50 a pound so the most I would spend is $25 a month. It is much less as I do things like get a lot of her raw meaty bones from whole chickens I cut myself. She gets the giblets, back and ribs after I cut away the breast meat. A half breast rib section or back is a couple days of bone for her so the bone I cut from chicken is enough for 7 days including the neck. Helps a lot.

Around here chicken can be had at $1 a pound, pork $2 a pound, organs, $2 a pound and beef is usually $3-4 a pound. It can work out.
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Home Prepared Food & Recipes > Recipe cookbook
Ginger

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Barked: Sun Oct 12, '14 11:09am PST 
Ginger ate cooked food all summer long.

5 pound chicken, cooked until done and boned. Meat chopped and mixed with cooking liquid. Skin used if dog is skinny, removed if dog doesn't need it.

Bones of chicken plus some water placed in crock pot and put into the garage to cook until a fork could be put through the long bones. Bones and cooking liquid processed into a thick smooth gravy. Usually there will be a few bits that won't break up, remove them!

5 pounds of pork shoulder cooked until done and chopped, again leave fat on for skinny dogs and take away much of it for chubby ones.
5 pounds of 85% lean ground beef cooked until done.
5 pounds of assorted veggies cooked and pureed. If you find that isn't enough bulk then you can always add more as you go through the prepared food.
1 pound of beef liver cooked and chopped.

Mix all ingredients together in a really big bowl or tub and pack in 2 day sized rations. Ginger got 4 ounces a day so packed up into 8-9 ounce foil packs.

I probably could have mixed this in before packing up but didn't. I probably ought to have added taurine in but I didn't. You can add in a B complex before serving if your dog would take it. That yeast is an excellent source of B vitamins as well.
Per 2 days of food.
1 multimineral tablet
Bit of zinc supplement [trying for 15mg]
5 grams of ground brazilnut for more selenium
This amount works for my dogs on perpetual diets, probably need less if your dog gets more food a day.

Once a week she also gets a vitamin E capsule and a fish oil capsule. I wish I could remember to use real fish but that never seems to happen so this works better for me. Larger dogs would need them more often of course.
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Raw Food Diet > Non-raw foods compatible with raw diet

Ginger

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Barked: Sun Oct 12, '14 10:53am PST 
If you don't want to use rice you can do the same thing with pureed veggies. There are some very expensive dried meat/bone/organ products out there you could use too like Ziwi Peak and Real Meat.

Why do you need to leave food out for the dog?
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Raw Food Diet > raw food diet causing my dog high kidney BUN levels?

Ginger

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Barked: Fri Jul 25, '14 7:05pm PST 
Hi, I would be worried too! The creatinine is fine though and the high BUN can 'just' indicate extreme dehydration though. Check urine concentration as well. Take a sample of first urine of the day to the vet. If the urine is well concentrated then the kidneys may be just fine. If the urine is dilute then the kidneys are dumping water in an effort to reduce irritating toxins and the dog will be chronically dehydrated.

How much water is your guy taking in daily? Ginger never seems to drink water so she gets soup for all her meals and am hoping that is keeping her sufficiently hydrated. Dogs that pant or are stressed at the vet can get dehydrated very quickly too. I haven't ever checked to see how much Ginger should be drinking daily, I know 42 pound Sassy needed just about a quart a day. Dividing that might mean Ginger ought to be getting about 1.5 cups of water a day. Yup, here is that site, c/t and take out any hidden spaces in the address. http://www.mycockerspaniel.com/h2o.htm

This diet is low in a few minerals and vitamins. For Ginger I would need to double the amount of calcium added and also add in some phosphorus but I couldn't be sure that is right for your smaller dog who may be eating more/less calories per pound of dog. Ginger is 14 pounds and needs about 500mg of calcium and 400mg of phosphorus in about 200 calories and 15 grams of protein, 23 grams more acceptable. She wouldn't get enough zinc, iron, copper, selenium, manganese, thiamine, panothenic acid, vitamin E and even B12 which is easy to come by in a raw diet. She would be getting a lot of protein, 30 grams which is nice.

Using beef liver and more beef than chicken would be a big help to making this diet better. Beef is far richer in minerals and vitamins than chicken, even chicken liver.
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Raw Food Diet > raw VS home cooked? interested in learning

Ginger

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Barked: Thu Jul 17, '14 8:04pm PST 
Raw is less wasteful, cheaper and much easier. On raw the dog gets to eat zero carbs and chew on bones to naturally keep teeth clean and possibly sugar levels more stable. It is low in ingredients so perfect for allergy prone dogs.

Ginger is currently eating cooked food. I had to cook up a whole chicken and bone it, cook up pork and chop those meats, cook up hamburger and rice and mix together along with a small amount of liver and add in a calcium source, some bits of this and that to balance the diet. Then I had to go back to the original amount of raw ingredients to figure out how many meals that would be and divide accordingly so I won't over/under feed her pack up in 2 day packets and freeze. On raw I give her boneless red meat and every 2-4 days she gets a bit of raw bony meat plus organ along with the same supplements I have to give her with a cooked diet minus the calcium of course. She loves it all but sure has more enjoyment from the raw.

Never heard that dogs get snappy if taken off raw, neither Ginger or Max behaved any differently. Many dogs get possessive of raw bits so practicing trading is a great idea. Many people only find out their dogs can be possessive when some delicious raw bony thing is given, even rawhides, bully sticks don't have the same value.

Max never ever had any parasites from raw feeding or fleas or ticks or contaminated water, Sassy once got a tapeworm from eating a flea. Raw meat from the store is very safe. I have always cooked raw meat and it is very easy to keep juices contained and the kitchen clean, lots of water and soap.

A great primer on raw feeding is here.
http://www.chanceslittlewebsite.com/prey-model-raw.html

Do read through dogaware.com's extensive pages on feeding dogs.

Whatever you decide to feed is fine. It is nice to have a couple months of cooked food ready in the freezer ready to plop into the bowl after 3 hours of work and many messy pans, it is nice to watch Ginger chowing down on a nice chicken wing. I know I will never willingly go back to commercial food but either cooked or raw or a combination of the two is fine and a personal choice.
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Dog Health > My dog has been puking blood for MONTHS... help, anyone?
Maxwell

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Barked: Tue Jun 17, '14 8:18am PST 
This is the study often referenced.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23683013
And this is Mary Strauss's article in WDJ about it.
http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/16_9/features/dishing-on-d iets_20814-1.html
This page lists some problems that can happen if a diet is deficient.
http://www.embracepetinsurance.com/pet-care/nutritional- problems-with-home-prepared-pet-diets

Also the body has tremendous systems to recycle nutrients plus the mineral vitamin powder put into commercial foods isn't as good for anybody as getting those minerals and vitamins right in fresh food. No study has been done to see if the supposedly low 50% of NRC required zinc in those home prepared diets is fine after all. It just looks low on paper.

Plenty of people are making good quality diets for dogs these days. There are good books on how to do so and even if you don't want to put down $300 to buy the actual NRC 2006 book you can find the old 1986 NRC numbers online which are what most commercial foods are based on in the first place. Or even make up a food from AAFCO guidelines!

I agree, likely the gut is 'just' really irritated at this point in time. Scoping would probably be the best thing to do. As far as the cost, you have put out that much money already with no good results. Things seem to be getting worse and changing I wouldn't mess around with internet speculation.

*I* do wish you could get a vet to test for pylori though. Seems to be a huge resistance in the medical community to accept that bacteria cause ulcers for some reason when studies continue to show it causes the vast majority of them.
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