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Dixie Mae

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Barked: Sat May 9, '09 5:02pm PST 
she whines a LOT in her kennel. she is out frequently and plays with our other dog and has toys in there but she still whines. i know by now she could stay out of her kennel through out the day but she still pees a lot which is another thing i cant seem to break her on. shrug im lost
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Copper

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Barked: Sun May 10, '09 4:37am PST 
When you say kennel do you mean crate? My JRT is outside in a kennel all day while I work but it's 10X10X6 and is big for a JRT. You didn't really say how long she's in it but if she's in a crate all day I'd say she's bored and lonely.

When I first got Copper he stayed in the 10X10 with Kipper while he was little. I brought him in when I got home to be with us and be in the house. He also went on long runs on the farm. I didn't have any issues with any of them about house training because if a dog is outside quite a bit they naturally learn that they pee outside. When he got to be about 3 months old I put him in the big yard with the girls. All of them come in the house for socialization and none of them ever pee in the house. They were never actually "house trained", it just came natural.

I've always used a crate inside for short periods of time (an hour or so) or for sleeping in overnight but I dislike them intensely for containing a dog all day. I dislike them almost as much as I do chains. The people that had Copper before I got him kept him in one all the time. I asked the people how much a day he was in the crate and they said all the time because they couldn't house break him. He was only 10 weeks old at the time and way to young to expect him to hold it for very long at a time. They didn't have a fenced yard and couldn't afford to buy an outside kennel or fence the yard.

I brought him home to the farm and put him down to run in the hay field he couldn't even run. He had been cooped up so much in the crate that his back was humped and his little legs were so weak they wouldn't hold him. I almost cried. After a week or so of daily walks in the field and playing in the big kennel with Kipper he completely changed. He got stronger and started eating with a vengeance. LOL Exercise made all the difference.

I don't know if you have a fenced yard or not, I'm just explaining my dislike for crates for all day containment. I've run up on people at work that crate their dogs all day and they are having the same problem. They can't get their dogs house trained and have the same whining issue so it made me wonder. It's great that Dixie Mae gets to play with your other dogs though. Poor Copper didn't have any other dogs to play with before I got him. Puppies have way too much energy to be confined for long periods of time. The harder they play the better they behave.

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Dixie Mae

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Barked: Sun May 10, '09 10:43am PST 
we dont have a yard thats the problem we run into. i wish we did. when we got here we thought we would have one but it turned out that the town homes here don't. we are trying to make the best out of it.
yes i admit she is in a crate but i let her out every hour and let her play with her sister.
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Copper

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Barked: Sun May 10, '09 11:47am PST 
I understand! Hang in there. Even without a yard she will learn where to pee. Where does she do now? Is there a place you can walk her? I'm glad she gets out a lot. I'm sure she's whining when she wants out. She's learned that being out is more fun. LOL A lady I work with leaves her dog in a crate 9 to 12 hours a day while she works. She has a big fenced yard but is afraid somebody will steal her. I asked her why she didn't buy a large kennel to put her in while she works so that she can still be outside and it's the same thing. She's afraid somebody will steal her. I feel so sorry for that poor dog. It sounds like Dixie Mae still has lots of luvin' and company even while in the crate. I mostly hate to see them alone all day.

I hope you get it worked out soon. She doesn't understand yet that she has to stay in the crate because she pee's in the house. Once she figures it out she will be able to be out more.
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Buster

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Barked: Sun May 10, '09 8:35pm PST 
We crate Buster when we are at work. and its the bigest large dog one we could find . We leave the crate door open when we are home. Buster will walk in and out of it on his own when we are home. When he wants quiet time he lays down in there on his own. We do have a fenced in back yard that he loves. And a 16x20 deck that he thinks is his. The funny thing is he gets upset if we shut the house door. He likes to have access the the bark yard at his own will. He can be laying down in our kitchen floor and if I shut the door. He gets up and paws at it till I open it. Then he lays down on the floor again. Like HEY leave that door open!!!. At 4 months he is doing well on house training. I argree with who ever said that they will learn to go out side the more they have access to the outside.
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Copper

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Barked: Mon May 11, '09 2:03am PST 
Buster, Kipper and Bandit, my JRT's, loved their crates too. If they wanted a nap they always went to the crate. They weren't in them all day though. They are in the fenced yard during the day while I work. They would have gone nuts in a crate all day.

I'm fortunate to have this big farm for them to run on and a fenced yard. I wouldn't be able to have all of my dogs if I didn't because I refuse to keep one crated for 9 hours a day. It's just a thing with me. It reminds me too much of the way puppy mill dogs are kept even though I know it's not the same thing. I know in my head that being confined during the day with lots of luvvies and playtime when family gets home isn't the same as a puppy mill but my heart just won't let me do it.

Kipper and Bandit can be in the house all day uncrated because they are well trained house dogs but the other four could not. It's either out in the fenced yard or I wouldn't be able to have them.
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Fred

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Barked: Mon May 11, '09 5:28am PST 
Do you have an area in the house that you could puppy proof so you could eliminate the crate?
I am lucky that I have a fenced in yard and placed a doggie door in the door so Fred is able to come and go as he pleases 24-7. He pretty much potty trained himself watching haylie and then loving the doggie door.
When Fred was younger I felt guilty crating him for 4 hours until I could come back home at lunch so I created an area that he couldnt damage anything and put down some newspaper and a comforter on the floor and baby gates, that way he could walk around and stretch his legs. I am not a fan of crating for longer than an hour. Fred has a crate and its for great danes - I had to order over the internet because the local stores didnt carry any large enough. The only time he is in his crate is to eat.
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Charlie

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Barked: Wed May 20, '09 3:24pm PST 
I've never used a crate, when my guys want to lay down alone they all have just naturally picked a spot that was theirs...under a table always seems to be a favorite or under the desk and they all seem to respect each others special place. As for potty training it's absolutely positive reinforcement. I would take mine outside frequently and stay with them until they did their thing and then praise them and make a big fuss. If there was an accident in the house I wouldn't say much of anything, just clean it up and imediately take them out again and praise, praise, praise when they would finally go. They catch on pretty quick that way because they associate going outside with getting a lot of attention and love. You have to be prepared to spend some time outside in any kind of weather though but in the long run it's well worth it. Years back I had two Siberian husky puppies in a house without a fenced yard and I trained them together the same way except they were on leash. Oh, and always associate a word with it like potty or pee-pee. They say once Bloodhounds are trained to go somewhere they won't go anywhere else and I tend to believe it because Charlie had to spend the night at the vets once and when I went to pick him up they were concerned because he drank a whole bowl of water but never passed any. I walked him outside the vets and nothing but as soon as we got home he flew for the backdoor and I swear he peed for five minutes.
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Charlie

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Barked: Wed May 20, '09 3:26pm PST 
I've never used a crate, when my guys want to lay down alone they all have just naturally picked a spot that was theirs...under a table always seems to be a favorite or under the desk and they all seem to respect each others special place. As for potty training it's absolutely positive reinforcement. I would take mine outside frequently and stay with them until they did their thing and then praise them and make a big fuss. If there was an accident in the house I wouldn't say much of anything, just clean it up and imediately take them out again and praise, praise, praise when they would finally go. They catch on pretty quick that way because they associate going outside with getting a lot of attention and love. You have to be prepared to spend some time outside in any kind of weather though but in the long run it's well worth it. Years back I had two Siberian husky puppies in a house without a fenced yard and I trained them together the same way except they were on leash. Oh, and always associate a word with it like potty or pee-pee. They say once Bloodhounds are trained to go somewhere they won't go anywhere else and I tend to believe it because Charlie had to spend the night at the vets once and when I went to pick him up they were concerned because he drank a whole bowl of water but never passed any. I walked him outside the vets and nothing but as soon as we got home he flew for the backdoor and I swear he peed for five minutes.
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Copper

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Barked: Wed May 20, '09 3:43pm PST 
I trained Kipper that way Jean. He has a crate but the door was always open. He liked to take naps in it. I used the word "weewee" for him and he knows that word. If I say "weewee" he jumps on the loveseat and grabs his leash. If I say "rabbit" he starts jumping at the door and smacks the doorknob with his front paws. big grin He has a pretty good vocabulary for a dog. If I say "daddy" he starts hunting John. If I say "bath" he runs to the bathroom and jumps in the tub.
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