Suri
Doodles make the- world go 'round! | 
 | | Barked: Mon Oct 8, '07 9:43pm PST | |  | |  | | When we think about the Goldendoodle dog, we usually think of them as being one part Golden Retriever and one part Poodle. Since 1999, we have gathered enough researched information from our own experiences to now know Goldendoodle fact from fiction. From Mara's litter (see photos on our website under the link "available doodles"), we have come to know that using a Goldendoodle sire to a Golden Retriever dam will produce not only a smooth coat Goldendoodle, but shaggy coat Goldendoodles as well. All of the Goldendoodles will have more of a Golden Retriever temperament because the Golden Retriever genes in our case, were more dominant. This mixture is also a first generation because the Golden Retriever in the Goldendoodles' genetic make up is not related to the Golden Retriever mate used for creating our litter. First generation implies parent/child and as long as the two parents are not related, the child is a first generation. We do not see the coat change occuring with the offspring until they become closer to 4-6 weeks of age.
From September 1st, 2007 we watched each puppy begin to obtain a shaggy coat that is similar to our Goldendoodles who come from a 50/50 mixture..ie...GOlden Retriever/Poodle. Only 1 Goldendoodle pup in our litter was void of the normal facial beard and shaggy coat. She is, instead, a smooth coat. As of this date, June 5th, 2008, her new owner reports she sheds very little and photos show her to have a very similar appearance as that of a purebred Golden Retriever. There are, of course, exceptions in her appearance because she is after all, a Goldendoodle.
We had encorporated a male Goldendoodle with beautiful sky blue eyes into our breeding program for Goldendoodles in hopes of offspring not only carrying the blue eyed gene but perhaps of having blue eyes themselves. Each puppy in this litter was born with brown eyes, to our dismay. BUT, they do have the blue eyed gene within their genetic structure.
Over the years, we use to get alot of calls from people who bought a Goldendoodle from other breeders and they had questions about their Goldendoodle not having a facial beard or the shagginess of most Goldendoodles they saw in photos. Their breeder had told them their Goldendoodle was a 50/50 mix or a mix with a Golden Retriever and a Poodle. This litter has proven what we knew all along to be true. That a smooth coat Goldendoodle does NOT come about from a 50/50 mixture. Since 1999, we've never seen a smooth coat Goldendoodle come from a 50/50 mixture.
We are 100 percent certain that if you own a Goldendoodle that resembles the Golden Retriever....is void of the facial beard.....and has nearly an identical appearance as that of a Golden Retriever...... the doodle did not come from a 50/50 mixture. Interestingly enough, when a Goldendoodle is bred to a Poodle, we see the majority of the offspring have a curly coat and more of a Poodle temperament. If a person is not a Poodle fan, they may not enjoy this type of mixture as we have come to know from experience that some doodles from this mixture can be quirky, yappy, have a higher drive and sometimes be aggressive towards other dogs of the same gender.
EVERY GOLDENDOODLE IN THIS LITTER EXCEPT FOR THE ONE SMOOTH COAT FEMALE, has begun to obtain a facial beard and shaggy coat. The female has still not shed a single hair. That's the cool part about this litter. It was my original belief that if a Goldendoodle was bred to a Golden Retriever, that the puppies would shed. I had this belief because it was just a theory that if a Goldendoodle had more Golden Retriever, they would shed more. I was incorrect. It has now been my experience that so long as there is Poodle within a Goldendoodle's genetic make up, there will be low shedding. This occurs with all soft coated Poodle hybrids.
We have found that there are temperament differences with the Goldendoodle based on size and how they are created and that if you are a Golden Retriever fan, you will NOT be able to appreciate the personality or temperament of any doodle that has more Poodle DNA. For those who don't know what this means, it means Goldendoodles who have entirely more Poodle than Golden Retriever genetics. It has also been our experience that such a mixture does NOT work out that well for those who either have young children in their home or who befriend the entire neighborhood or do alot of socializing.
Our experience thus far has taught us that Goldendoodles with more Poodle do much better with families who have owned Poodles before or are very familiar with the Poodle temperament/disposition. Goldendoodles with more Poodle are somewhat skiddish; do not befriend strangers easily and do not want to befriend your entire neighborhood. I won't lump all doodles with twice the Poodle into this category but am just discussing what has been our experience thus far. Althought in 12 years of being a professional breeder, we've had only a couple of rehoming issues and 2 of the rehoming issues were with doodles that had more Poodle.
To date, since 1996, I can only remember three rehoming issues from the top of my head and we've produced quite a few litters since 1996. 2 out of the 3 had more Poodle. The other rehoming issue was from a doodle that had been abandoned at a boarding facility and adopted by an elderly couple. From those three issues, we've discovered it was the owners inability to understand their doodle and their reluctance to incorporate obedience training was the root of the cause of their issue. Had they made the effort to actually use a professional dog trainer to help them with their situation, I believe the placements would have worked out. Some people call a dog trainer and then never use them. Either the training was going to cost more than they could afford or would cause them to actually make an effort at changing their dogs' behaviour....it's hard to say what the reason was that they did not actually stick with a training program or use a training program.
Those who are experienced with the Poodle....have owned Poodles before or are at least very familiar with the Poodle have the most successful placements with Goldendoodles who have more Poodle DNA. We actually only desire people with more Poodle experience to adopt doodles with more Poodle so that they don't become surprised or frustrated with the personality. We encourage everyone with young children or children who are NOT adults, to adopt a Goldendoodle with more Golden Retriever genetics because they have the most success with their doodles. Goldendoodles with more Poodle seem to be wary of large crowds of people or screaming, running, yelling children.
There are some people you can't convince of this but it is those people who have the most placement issues. Those who do not listen to the advice of their breeder always have the most problems.
This was the first time that we intentionally used a Goldendoodle sire with more Poodle traits to breed to a female Golden Retriever. I have always been leery of matching a pair like this because I was not sure about the shedding element and coat type. I did want to know, however, if a Goldendoodle would be void of the facial beard and the shaggy coat if it came from this sort of pairing. We were able to notice the difference in coat type from this most recent litter, at approx. 6 wks of age. This further backs up our original claim that a breeder would be fully aware by age 6 weeks of what coat type their Goldendoodle litter would have prior to selling them.
Many people in the past emailed us regarding their doodles purchased from other breeders whose doodle was void of the facial beard asking if their doodle would ever have one and we now can back up our prediction that any doodle with a smooth face and void of the "V" shape by six weeks of age will NOT have a facial beard as an adult and the breeder is fully aware of this fact if they are an experienced breeder. We noticed the difference between this particular female and her brothers right at the time the puppies began to get their fluffy coat and this generally takes place between 4-6 weeks of age. All of the puppies in this litter have the Golden Retriever temperament and disposition.
There are of course obvious differences between the smooth coat Goldendoodle and the purebred Golden Retriever even though they also have many similarities. When we bred a curly coat Goldendoodle sire to a purebred Golden Retriever dam, we noticed that the smooth coat female had nice long legs similar to the Poodle and as a young pup, she was stockier than her brothers but as a young adult, she has turned out to have more of a petite frame/build. She does have a plume tail and some feather under the belly and the backs of her legs, but the feathering is shorter than a purebred Golden Retriever. We also noticed that the smooth coat Goldendoodle seems to have a muzzle that is slightly narrow which is similar to a Poodle.
Here in June of 2008, we've created 2 more litters and have gathered more research which can be found on our site at http://www.goldendoodleworld.com for those interested in the smooth coat Goldendoodle.Edited by author Thu Jun 5, '08 6:28am PST
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