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Haun
Will I be- handsome, will I- be rich? |
 | | Barked: Wed Feb 20, '08 9:04pm PST | |  | |  | | First of all let me say that I am a big fan of Cesar Milan's techniques. I think that is who Winnie's Mom is alluding to. One of her picture's titles mentions him. I had never heard of him before we got Haun. I think I found him with a Google search about the same time my wife saw his DVD's at the pet store. After watching many of the " Dog Whisperer" shows, it became evident to me that it was very easy to inadvertently teach a dog bad behaviors. Since I didn't want to have problems later on, I started reading puppy training books and watching more videos. I found the prevailing opinion went along with Cesar's, being the pack leader, approach.
Our little Nami started having some, over the top, aggression with Haun over a bone. I used the, mommy dog pinning her to the ground until she calmed down method. I didn't hurt her, I just held her to the ground until she gave up. This has worked very well for our pups. To stop a small problem I tap them on the neck with a loud shush or no. The degree of correction is suppose to match the offense. I am no authority, so I'm not going to echo what Winnie's mom said. She did a fine job of conveying the ideas I'm talking about. I do suggest anyone having aggression problems consider watching a few episodes of the "Dog Whisperer". It doesn't take many to grasp his message. |  |  | |  |
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Tikka
This is me- ignoring you!
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| | Barked: Thu Feb 21, '08 7:16am PST | | | | | | I don't think all Shibas are aggressive. But I do think all Shiba owners have to establish control from a very early age and I think it takes a very concerted and consistent effort to ensure that a Shiba knows who is the boss.
I didn't (and still don't) know a lot about dog training. Tikka is my first pup ever. But I do remember deciding very early on that I was the LAW DOG!! (a line from Tombstone, if you have ever watched the movie, bol). She started learning as 10 weeks old exactly what was appropriate behaviour and what wasn't and what she WILL tolerate and accept from me.
Tikka has a lot of freedom, but she is not spoiled in the sense that she gets to do anything she wants or behave any way she wants. She know her limits and she know her place and those boundaries are firm. And consequently, she know exactly what she can get away with and what she can't. Damn smart dogs. 
I believe in balance, so IMO, you may want to consider another dog that is similar to a Shiba, but with more compliance and affection. Thank goodness I have two cats who cuddle with me and provide some of the touchy-feely affection that I don't get from Tikka (ironic isn't it?) However, Tikka gives me a kind of "love" and provides needs for me that the cats can't, so with all three of my animals, I feel as sense of balance and harmony. | | | | |
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Kozi
I'm Turkish! |
| | Barked: Thu Feb 21, '08 12:25pm PST | | | | | |  (1) Has your Shiba EVER displayed any aggressive behavior? (anything ranging from baring teeth to severe biting)
I think just about everyone knows about Kozi's history on aggression, so I won't repeat the all the details; but he has shown serious aggression from baring teeth to putting punctures holes into our hands.
(2) If so, what are the triggers?
Kozi has ALWAYS had food aggression. We got him at 10 weeks and noticed it right away. He use to have some possession aggressiveness too. Like if I dropped the remote he would try to beat me to pickup it up and bit me if I tried to take it away. He has pretty much grown out of this though. If he gets a NEW treat... we don't dare take it away from him. But if it's an old chew bone or any of his toys... we can stick our hand in his mouth and take the object out all day long.
Also we have noticed if we disturb him during sleep or right after he wakes up he will bare teeth and sometimes bite.
(3) Have you successfully changed the behavior or have you decided to avoid the trigger?
Again, no need to repeat all the details, but we have tried to train it out of him... and that didn't work. We have tried to act dominant from the beginning. We have pinned him down when he growled and that just made it worse. We have tried ignoring it and it brings confrontations down to a minimum, but the aggression is still there.
Right now, our behaviorist has us ignoring Kozi. No eye contact... no petting, calling his name, etc. We will gradually start doing some of things but for now, no physical contact (of course some can't be avoided like at walk time). When feeding him, we just set down the dish and walk away.
Let me tell you, this is harder then you might think! You'll be amazed how many times a day you call your dogs name. Anyways, she also said that aggression in Shibas are actually quite normal until about two years of age. She said Shibas are very personal about their space (which I think we all know) and it's not uncommon for them to show signs of aggression when that space is intruded upon. | | | | |
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Sarah- Smartypants
But I don WANT- to go back to- school! |
| | Barked: Thu Feb 21, '08 2:07pm PST | | | | | | no that would be winnie's mom. Though I agree with the training that winnie got. when you've got a primitive breed dog, it's best to use primitive breed language, even when it breaks your heart.
I have had to 'alpha roll' Sarah a few times, not often, and not to the degree that some trainers do. I just flip her on her back, hold her down by her chest, and tell her "I'M the alpha dog". She gets the point right away.
I just wish I could alpha roll my 15 year old sometimes. | | | | |
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Comet
will trade this- space for PB |
| | Barked: Fri Feb 22, '08 11:53am PST | | | | | | Comet has been known to exhibit aggression. Things can be going very well - for weeks or even months - and then *BAM * the swich flips and he goes off.
We've tried to train it out of him, but he's just too smart (or stubborn) for it. We try to focus more on our own activities to act and react in a manner that's safe for all. For example, we move him by voice commands and hand gestures if he's sleeping on the bed. We get the same end result without physical confrontation.
The worst part is that he knows there's things he just shouldn't do. Most things are relatively innocent on their own (laying on furniture that's off limits, taking toys down on his own) but those are the same things that have been known to cause an altercation. On the few instances that these have happened, he knows immediately that he was wrong and that he's done something really bad and gets a sad look.
We do the best we can to not put him in positions that set him up for failure. He still has rules, it's just that some require a different angle on enforcement. It's taken some adjustment over the past seven years and the joy still outweighs the pain. | | | | |
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Suki
Unofficial Shiba- Inu Spokesdog |
| | Barked: Fri Feb 22, '08 12:12pm PST | | | | | | I'm really blessed. No, Suki has never displayed any of these behaviors.
I don't know if this has anything to do with why: She was very nippy as a puppy, and I was very strict with her, she didn't get away with it. I'd put her down (submission roll) every time she tried. I'd bite her with my hand. I'd hover over her while I had her down. You could see on her face how much she hated being dominated, but I never let in. | | | | |
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Izzi
582857 |
| | Barked: Fri Feb 22, '08 12:18pm PST | | | | | | Hi Tetsu, I've actually been giving some thought to adding a Basenji to our pack. Funny you should bring that up.
Can I ask why you made this suggestion to Loki? Are Basenji's and Shibas known to work well together? | | | | |
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Tetsuya
The best smile- is a shiba- smile!
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| | Barked: Fri Feb 22, '08 12:26pm PST | | | | | | Hi Izzi - I made the suggestion because basenji's are similar to shibas regarding their temperment, size, etc. Since Loki is thinking about another dog that isn't a shiba - basenji came to mind. I imagine the two breeds would get along very well. | | | | |
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Loki
Love me! |
 | | Barked: Fri Feb 22, '08 5:21pm PST | | | | | | I am very happy to report that once again, Loki is now accepting the harness without any resistance. It took over a week with training, but he now displays no aggression or attempts to run away. Yay!
An alternative suggestion that was made to me about a second shiba is to get a submissive female. I think that idea makes quite a bit of sense.
Kozi's parents -- Yes, ignoring is a good strategy! I agree. Good luck!
Haun's parents -- Yes, we are big Cesar Milan fans in this household. Unfortunately, not everything is as easy as you see on TV, at least it hasn't been for us.
Loki's so good about alpha rolling himself that he will do it instead of what we want him to do. Like if we say "come", and he doesn't want to come, but he knows he's supposed to, he'll then just alpha roll himself and go belly up. Unfortunately, we think that this is so cute that he gets away with not coming. So tricky! | | | | |
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