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Addy, CGC

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Barked: Thu Jul 21, '11 5:24pm PST 
A few thoughts.

Bear in mind that this database is just starting, and right now is very incomplete. That's not a criticism; you've got to start somewhere, and it's generally easier to get people and organizations to hop on board something that they can already see, than to sell them something that's still an abstract idea. So I'd expect this database to grow more and more complete as months go by.

But right now, the lack of any orange spots in California, especially southern CA, is due to the lack of data. And while the southern states would still have more orange spots than blue, there would be more blue spots if the data were more complete. There are no spots at all in New England, or upstate New York, or the upper Midwest.

Nobody should be passing judgment for or against any part of the country based on the data in this database right now Two years from now, it will probably tell us a whole lot more.

There are still lots of pit bulls in Denver, even though they've been illegal for more than dog's lifetime, because pit bulls are great dogs for the kind of lifestyle urban and suburban Coloradans want with their dogs, and they're very popular. People get them anyway, and hope. Or people move to Denver from out of state, and they're not on dog forums or involved in the shelter and rescue community, and it never occurs to them to ask if their dog will be seized on sight and killed before the day is over. Who would expect that? You might worry about insurance, you might worry about being forced to muzzle your dog if you're caught--but not immediate seizure and a no-appeal death sentence just for existing.

Many dogs could be kept in their homes if their owners got the help they need soon enough--but when they come to the shelter to surrender the dog, often, not always, but often, it's too late. They've gone through the steps and the resources they knew about, they've been through a lot of emotional stress, and they are now shut down. They can't necessarily really hear what you're telling them, or they have no emotional resources left to try it.

The help needs to reach people sooner.

Love or hate Cesar Millan, love or hate Victoria Stilwell, love or hate any other dog-training oriented tv or radio program you can name, they do at least present to people the idea that, if your dog has behavior problems, living with the problems or getting rid of your dog are not the only choices you have, that a professional trainer can help you solve those behavior problems. If a shelter has, and advertises, a puppy kindergarten, a basic obedience class, and a "problem dogs" class, they can help cut their intake rate, by getting the help to people while they're still in a mindset where help is what they want, and can make use of. Greater Derry Humane Society gives free lifetime obedience training for every dog adopted from GDHS.

Mandatory Spay/Neuter of owned pets raised intake rates and kill rates. Actually spaying or neutering every shelter or rescue dog before they're adopted out unless there's a health reason not to, OTOH, has a huge positive effect. As do accessible low-cost programs.

Duncan, I'm sorry, but killing=/=euthanasia. All euthanasia ends a life, but not all killing is euthanasia. The reason "No Kill" is defined as 90% or better live release rate, and not 100% live release, is that to get to 100% live release, you'd have to refuse to euthanize medically suffering and untreatable animals as well as those with behavior problems so severe they can never live safely with people. Those are the same animals a loving owner would euthanize, and to say that a shelter is not "no kill" because they are "killing" these suffering animals is, I think, both unfair and unrealistic. And no, I don't think this distinction is confusing to the general public; it's the shelter and rescue community that has trouble with saying that ending the life of a healthy animal is not "euthanasia."

In some places, the problem is intake; things need to be done to address the high number of surrendered or stray pets in the community. In other places, that's not the problem. Memphis Animal Services has average or slightly below average intake per capita, but a 77% kill rate, in part because only thirty dogs out of the several hundred in their kennels is available for adoption at any given time. And if people see a dog on the webcam that they're interested in among the hundreds in the "stray hold" area, it's like pulling teeth to get any information about the dog before the dog is killed as "unadoptable." Memphis also has exactly none of its animals posted online with pictures, despite having the Chameleon software that would let them do so easily, a digital camera donated for the purpose, and volunteers willing to do the picture-taking.

In some places, the problem is intake and there needs to be outreach to the community to help owners solve behavior problems, learn better dog management methods, and enable them to get their dogs spayed and neutered unless they have some positive reason not to do so.

In other places, the problem is unhealthy, counter-productive shelter practices and attitudes--and that problem won't be solved, especially in municipally owned shelters, by never ever publicly saying anything critical of the people currently running things.
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Duncan

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Barked: Fri Jul 22, '11 3:38pm PST 
Problem won't be solved by "never ever publicly saying anything critical of the people currently running things"? Who ever suggested that, Addy? In fact the point here is that the shelters and politicians in charge of them, need to acknowledge when the problem is the intake rate, and think of ways to address the actual problem.

That's if you think the shelter has a role to play in that side of the equation, rather than just being a repository of unwanted animals.

Memphis as of 2010 actually has a pretty horrid per capita intake rate of 41 per capita. Comparable to most of the deep south.
Addy, CGC

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Barked: Sun Jul 24, '11 7:34am PST 
I did try responding earlier, but something went wrong and my post got et.

Problem won't be solved by "never ever publicly saying anything critical of the people currently running things"? Who ever suggested that, Addy?

I think that came from someone else's comment, either here or in one of the other ongoing discussions of the Memphis situation I've been involved in recently. Sorry. frown

In fact the point here is that the shelters and politicians in charge of them, need to acknowledge when the problem is the intake rate, and think of ways to address the actual problem.

It's one of the problems. And it is, frankly, the part of the problem most municipal shelters, at least, would rather talk about: It's all the Bad Public, Not Spaying and Neutering. Even though the great majority of owned pets are spayed or neutered. Admittedly, too many places, while talking about that side of the problem, are not addressing it with accessible low-cost spay/neuter programs.

That's if you think the shelter has a role to play in that side of the equation, rather than just being a repository of unwanted animals.

Of course I do. Note that in the very post you're responding to, I said help needs to reach people earlier, the importance of having and advertising dog training classes, and the fact that a group I volunteer with includes free lifetime obedience classes with every dog adopted from us.

Accessible, low-cost spay/neuter programs are important. They can't be the whole of your supply-side "solution."

Memphis as of 2010 actually has a pretty horrid per capita intake rate of 41 per capita. Comparable to most of the deep south.

Taking that as correct, we have to take note of the fact that many places in the south don't have a 77% kill rate, and some have achieved the No Kill target of 90% or better live exit.

But KC Dog Blog says their intact is 24 per thousand--and that this is slightly below average.

Regardless, Memphis, despite having the Chameleon software, a digital camera, and volunteers who have repeatedly offered to take pictures of every animal there, posts exactly none of their animals online. The only way to find out if your dog is there, or if a dog you'd like to adopt is there, is to go to the shelter during their business hours and look.

Also, if you do go looking for a dog to adopt, you will be shown just thirty dogs. Despite having hundreds at any given time, just thirty kennels are designated as the adoption area. After dogs serve out their 72-hour stray hold (or even before), if there is an open space they're assessed for whether or not they can get that spot. If there isn't a space, or if they are not approved for any reason at all (such as being one of the dread "pit bulls" that "nice families don't want") they are immediately killed.

Do you think perhaps Memphis could improve its adoption statistics and even its returned-to-owner statistics, if the animals were posted online and members of the public were allowed to see all the animals in the shelter?

And I haven't even mentioned the problem of the disappearance of Kapone

And beyond all that, supply-side only solutions aren't enough. You need to work on the demand side, too. Before throwing up your hands in disgust at the title, bear in mind that Christie Keith is a supporter of accessible, low-cost spay/neuter programs:
You can’t spay/neuter your way out of pet over-population
Now, low-cost/free and accessible spay/neuter is one of the steps to no-kill, and I support and applaud any community that has that in place. Yay.

But I think it’s kind of obvious that spaying and neutering will do absolutely nothing to save the lives of the pets who are homeless right now, nor the ones who will come into your shelter tomorrow or the next day.

The options are death and adoption. Spay/neuter isn’t going to help these pets, and rushing past adoption and waving your little speuter flag is going to mean those pets get dead. And the ones who come in the next day to take their place? Also dead.

I think it’s great that you have an upstream, supply-side plan. Don’t get rid of it. Near-universal spay/neuter has almost certainly accounted for a lot of the gains we’ve made in reducing shelter killing in the last two decades, even if there aren’t really any studies out there to support that. But I’m more than willing to believe that’s the case.

But if you don’t also have an equally strong demand-side plan, you’re going to continue to have the kind of killing rates in shelters that we have today, which are — or should be — absolutely unacceptable to anyone who cares about animals.


Yes, we have to address the supply side, but the places that have a huge killing problem, over 50% of the animals that come in, are generally not places where they already have great adoption programs. Sometimes they don't have anything that closely resembles an adoption program.

And it's the easiest thing in the world for politicians and for people who are in municipal shelter management because it pays almost $100,000 a year and not because they love animals to talk about how the Irresponsible Public needs to spay/neuter more, and not put any effort into improving adoption programs or conditions in the shelter.
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Duncan

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Barked: Mon Jul 25, '11 7:23pm PST 
Actually, from my experience it's quite the contrary. Shelters don't like to talk about the intake or anything to do with it. It's much easier and more pleasant to talk about adoptions and positive outcomes. (Transfers to rescues, transport successes, returns to owners.) That stuff is non-controversial, warm, fuzzy, and universally applauded.

Regarding Memphis, I came up with the figure just by looking at their Asilomar recording, posted on the City of Memphis website - raw number of animals intake for year 2010 - and then dividing that by the population of the City of Memphis per the US Bureau of the Census.

There's an interesting study about the link between rates of spay/neuter in a community and the intake rates at shelters - conducted by a group called FIREPAWS and presented within the Maddie's Fund link that I posted at the beginning of this thread. Pretty interesting stuff. It does conclude that where there are higher rates of spay/neuter in a community, there are also lesser intake numbers at the local shelters. But I would say that is not necessarily a causative link, the only thing shown is correlation. It could be that owners that tend to spay/neuter their pets, also tend not to surrender them to shelters. Or communities with a certain cultural expectation toward pet ownership tend to have both these characteristics; a lot of speutered pets, and low intake rates at the shelters. Does that make sense? Of course, it does ALSO seem that there could be a causative link; ie, more pets are spayed/neutered, therefore fewer are having unwanted litters, period!!
Addy, CGC

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Barked: Mon Jul 25, '11 8:49pm PST 
But when people start complaining about the kill rate, or limited adoption hours, or owned pets that disappear after being known to be in the custody of animal control--the blaming of the Bad Public starts, seemingly automatically.

If you haven't read YesBiscuit's posts about Memphis, you really, really need to.

While high rates of spay/neuter tend to go along with other good practices that would reduce shelter admissions, I do think it's reasonable to think there's also a direct link: if the rate of spay/neuter is relatively low, there's an awful lot more opportunity for accidental litters, and if you have a lot of accidental litters, there are not only more puppies and kittens to find homes for, but many of them will be the responsibility of people who have no idea how to place them safely and responsibly, and some will be the responsibility of people who just won't want to bother. So you'd get an increased number of surrenders, either immediately (I have no idea at all how to find homes for puppies, or I don't care to be bothered) or later (the puppies don't work out in homes that were not chosen well and where the owners don't have the ongoing support of either a responsible breeder, or a good shelter or rescue.)
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Duncan

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Barked: Mon Jul 25, '11 9:51pm PST 
I don't think I've read or heard of that blog you mentioned, but I read something on another forum about Memphis. Someone was complaining about the shelter and one of the things they said is that the shelter doesn't do ANY off site adoption events....as in NONE, NEVER!!

When I was searching the Memphis city site on which I found those Asilomar reports, there was also a list of locations throughout the area, where the shelter's volunteers apparently conduct off site adoption events; every 1st Saturday here, every 1st Sunday here, and so on and so on. If I lived in Memphis, I'd be curious to go and see if the shelter did have those adoption events as advertised.

((Although, volunteers being volunteers, I guess if none of them show up, what can you do....hope they show up next time.))

Also interesting, since I've lived here in Rhode Island, I've noticed that none of the local shelters in my area of the state, do off site adoption events, at least not for dogs. The national chain pet-supply stores desperately wish they had "adoption partners" as they believe it drives traffic and sales at their stores.

The local shelters don't have real friendly adoption hours, they never talk to the media, they don't have foster programs, and they don't even (gasp!!) do pre-adoption spay/neuter, or at least, they didn't until "my" low-cost spay/neuter clinic opened...now some of them are making efforts on that.

But they're all low kill or "No Kill" in this area, and have been for a long time. Why? Low intake rates. Every dog that arrives there has much more time and opportunity because of this.

Why the low intake rates, though....that part I don't really know. It's been fascinating to me, living in this new world that I do now - and working closely with the shelters public and private, the rescue groups of all kinds, and the animal welfare community - there is so much that surprises me. It's such an amazingly different landscape, though....
Lucille

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Barked: Tue Jul 26, '11 10:46am PST 
Duncan: "Why the low intake rates, though....that part I don't really know. It's been fascinating to me, living in this new world that I do now - and working closely with the shelters public and private, the rescue groups of all kinds, and the animal welfare community - there is so much that surprises me. It's such an amazingly different landscape, though...."

I think people would be suprised just how much gets done up here via word of mouth. If someone is looking for a dog, the first thing many people do is to ask around for who's dog is having pups? anybody you know looking to re-home an older dog? I know lots of people in the dog community, from breeders with breed specific rescue interests to general kennel handlers and techs. Lots of folks take in dogs whose owners have lost homes or gotten sick (that's how Lu accidentally came to be) Many matches are made via the grapevine...petfinder is gaining ground, but it's not instinctive yet to just hop online first in these circles.

Our buddy Walt knows how well this can work.big grin

I'm also fortunate to know one of the top vets at a nearby vet univ. When he knows of a great dog in desparate need of a home...he puts the word out, all of his colleagues get it out to where their wives/husbands work and so on. He's placed dozens just by firing off an email when a dog has caught his eye.big grin He knows not to wear his contacts out, so he's careful about where he expends his efforts...when he speaks for a dog, dog people listen. That's just one example.

I'm not knocking petfinder, it's been a huge help to rescue...just pointing out that there's a sort of unseen network that is awfully busy in the background up here. It could be that way in other regions, too, I don't have the knowledge to know if it's like this in other places.
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Duncan

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Barked: Wed Jul 27, '11 5:45pm PST 
Lucille, that's an interesting point.

If people are finding homes for dogs on their own (be it the litter they had, their no-longer-wanted pet, or a stray they found) - and if they are using these networks to do so, specifically RATHER THAN the shelter system, ....that obviously lightens the burden on the shelter system.

It could be an influence on the lighter intake rates here in the Northeast.

I think also, dropping off an animal at a shelter is a bit more stigmatized up here, culturally speaking. Not that the shelter workers are going to frown on you, but your own friends, neighbors, co-workers would. The people around you - your peers, the people who matter. That's the impression I get anyway, judging by the chit chat in our clinic lobby and the comments of people at the PetCo where we do adoptions.

So, no wonder people make more effort to find an animal a home on their own devices.
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