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Muzzels?

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Sir.- Tuxanawlden- SDIT

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Barked: Sun Mar 26, '06 5:09pm PST 
This week we are taking Tux, our SDIT, to the zoo, they have many places where you walk in to the area and there are birds that will land on you. Tux will come home with a new squeekie toy if we do not muzzel him. But here is the question, he has never been muzzeled, and a while back i saw a muzzel that was just a velcro strap with padding that went around the mouth and nothing more. What is it called? where can i find it? Does it even exist? Any other brand sugestions?
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Sabrina- 2000~2012

To break- injustice we- must break- silence
 
 
Barked: Sun Mar 26, '06 7:58pm PST 
I've heard the most comfortable muzzle is the traditional basket muzzle. If you get a plastic one you can cut the end out so that the pup can even still drink and take treats with no problem.

Do you use a gentle leader or other head collar? If so, these can pretty much be used as a muzzle in a pinch because pulling will cause closure of the mouth.

We don't go to Zoos with Sabrina... There are definately mixed opinions on this and I am pretty sure you will get a hard time from the zoo staff. They want to protect their animals and dogs can really rile some of them up. Definately don't go into the big cat house... the cats get extremely excited upon viewing dogs and the one time I was around big cats with Sabrina they started stalking her and tried to get at her and she started barking like crazy. It was not a good situaion. Do a google about SDs in zoos to be prepared for everything that might happen. Also, you should print out as many laws as you can find and be prepared to have your access challenged by many people.

Also, don't forget that your SD can be denied if they significantly alter the environment so that it is not safe for others... riling up animals can be considered making the environment not safe for others. Just be prepared and watch both Tux and all the other animals like a hawk!
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Sabrina- 2000~2012

To break- injustice we- must break- silence
 
 
Barked: Mon Mar 27, '06 11:06am PST 
Here is what the ADA has to say on SDs in zoos:

"F. A zoo or wild animal park may prohibit a service animal, including a dog guide or service dog, from any area of the zoo or wild animal park where the service animal may come into direct contact with the animals contained in the zoo or wild animal park. Service animals shall not be excluded from public walkways or sidewalks or from any area that allows for physical barriers between the service animals, dog guides or service dogs and the animals in the zoo or wild animal park. Any zoo or wild animal park that prohibits dog guides and service dogs shall provide without cost adequate facilities for the temporary confinement of dog guides and service dogs. The facilities shall be adequate to accommodate the anticipated attendance of legally blind, deaf or physically disabled persons, shall be in an area not accessible to the general public, shall provide water for the dog guides and service dogs and shall otherwise be safe, clean and comfortable. The zoo or wild animal park on request by a legally blind person who is required to leave that person's dog guide or service dog pursuant to this subsection shall provide a sighted escort if the legally blind person is unaccompanied by a sighted person."

So looks like you wouldn't be allowed in the bird area anyway, according to the ADA.

In addition, I think you might be violating at least one of the three conditions that can be used to not allow SDs:

"B. It is not discriminatory to exclude a service animal from a public place if one or more of the following apply:

1. The animal poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others.

2. The animal fundamentally alters the nature of the public place or the goods, services or activities provided.

3. The animal poses an undue burden."

They could easily argue that the SD poses an undue burden on the animals in the zoo, that having an SD could rile up animals thereby causing either a threat to public safety or at least altering the ability of the rest of the general public to enjoy viewing the animals in a relaxed and calm state.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but I do think it is good to know this stuff before going. Personally I would not take Sabrina to a zoo as it is both not fair for the animals in the zoo who are stressed out by seeing a dog (they have a rough enough life as it is!) and it is also not fair to Sabrina to expose her to large predators who think she would make a tasty snack.
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Sir.- Tuxanawlden- SDIT

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Barked: Mon Mar 27, '06 7:33pm PST 
Our Zoo in Oregon is really good about service animals, and i have never heard of one being kicked out. They provide a free guided tour to all people with service animals, they call it that but i would call it more like a escort to death row. party
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Lily CGC- 2001-2014

Enjoying- Retirement
 
 
Barked: Mon Mar 27, '06 8:06pm PST 
If we were to ever go to the zoo we'd be going to the one that has cement barriers you have to look over to see the animals in their enclosures even ones in cages before I'd ever think of bringing her anywhere else. I'd start with the aquarium first and if he can manage that then go to a place that only has a few animals. A SD should never need to be muzzled and if you think you might need one you are better off going with using a Gentle leader, halti, or snoot loop. Those can be used as instant ones by pulling upwards which forces the mouth to shut. The gentle leader can be tightened so it restricts mouth movements. If Tux has never worn a muzzle before you shouldn't try in a public place first. He's likely to not like it at first and would need to get adjusted to wearing it without getting completely freaked out. Lily was put in one once when she didn't need it at a rabies clinic because they didn't want to take the time to make her more comfortable so she wouldn't be trying to get away from them. She wasn't growling or anything. The guy just grabbed her and stuck her in the butt once it was on. She was struggling with the muzzle. The other items might be more comfortable and better accepted because they fit loosely and easily allow eating and drinking. Your much more likely to run into trouble if he's wearing a muzzle. People see a muzzle and immediately think viscious dog which is not the picture you want to potray of SDs or Tux. I really don't think it would be neccessary, he seem much too well behaved. Are you afraid he might try to bite something or bark? The head collars can be used for both if you know how to use them.
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Pooch ~ I- miss you ~

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Barked: Mon Mar 27, '06 10:24pm PST 
Some zoos actually allow dogs that aren't service dogs, interestingly enough.
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Sir.- Tuxanawlden- SDIT

The Heir
 
 
Barked: Fri Mar 31, '06 8:06pm PST 
We took Tux to the zoo today! He wore the muzzle at all times, except for two times when we watered him (and two times he took it off), and was extremely well-behaved. You can read all the highlights in his diary but here are some:

He didn't break "service dog" upon seeing little kids. He acknowledged them, yes, but he knew his duty was with me. There were a ton of little kids there and I was impressed.

He handled well in crowds. Granted, walking along with a tour guide, a wheelchair, and a service dog kind of makes the crowds step back, but he handled the crowds and subsequent stimuli well.

He let me know when I needed a break, and he let me know when he was thirsty.

He saved me from sure humilation by catching me when the zoo train blew it's whistle (no danger to me - it was on the other side of a fence unloading passengers) and I startled.

He ignored an angry primate (when we accidently went through there and got "spotted") that screamed it's head off for six minutes after Tux left and could be heard over a 100 feet away.

I am so proud of him!

Tux & Big Sister
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Jasmine

Such a Happy- Girl

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Barked: Sat Apr 1, '06 8:19am PST 
I just wanted to pop in and say Good Job, Tux! That zoo must've been really interesting. puppy