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Prepared raw diet and alkaline urine

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Sydney

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Barked: Wed Apr 18, '12 2:04pm PST 
Hi everyone! I'm new to this forum. We started our dog, Sydney, on a raw diet in January 2011. Her staple is Sojo's Turkey Complete Dog Food (it's freeze-dried, so we just add water). She gets a raw marrow bone at least every other day. I will rotate in Tollden Farms paddies. She also gets some table veggie and fruit scraps here and there. She gets a raw egg and a probiotic every day as well.

The last three urine analyses she has had have shown that her urine is alkaline and she has some crystals. Our vet is not too keen on raw and is concerned about her urine results.

Any advice or suggestions from this knowledgeable community? We like the health of raw, but have been taking the route of "prepared" (ie. free-dried or paddies) raw versus preparing at home from scratch (less open to that because of the convenience factor).

Will supplementing help (eg. Wysong Biotic-PH-, cranberry extract)?

Has anyone had experience with Carna4?

Thanks.
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Charlie

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Barked: Wed Apr 18, '12 4:53pm PST 
Only advice I can give you is to ditch the marrow bones and add in an edible bone. With your current diet, you won't reap any of the dental benefits of raw, plus marrow bones can pose a threat to teeth. Feeding an appropriately sized raw-meaty-bone once or twice a week, like a chicken quarter or ribs or pig's feet, would be a really good idea.
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Rexy

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Barked: Wed Apr 18, '12 5:37pm PST 
I also say ditch the marrow bones.

I'd consider rotating several different proteins rather then sticking solely with turkey.

While I am assuming that since it is prepared raw, it is formulated to be a balanced diet on its own, I would be more comfortable with rotating proteins...I would want to add some red meat to the diet.

I have no idea if this will help with the alkaline urine issue. If it doesn't, then I would consider trying a completely different brand of prepared raw (or consider prey-model raw) to see if there it makes any difference in the urine pH.
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Maxwell

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Barked: Thu Apr 19, '12 4:50am PST 
A meat based diet produces urine more on the acidic side. Alkaline urine is very often due to an UTI. Has the urine been sampled by sterile needle and cultured? That is the first thing I would consider.

Stale urine will precipitate out crystals. I had a scare with Max but a sample spun in house showed no crystals.

Concentrated urine would be more likely to crystallize out as well, make sure the dogs get plenty of water. Max drinks well but I always put some water in the bottom of his dinner bowl as well.
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Sydney

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Barked: Thu Apr 19, '12 1:23pm PST 
Great advice. Thank you!

I was choosing marrow bones because I thought they were "safer" but in doing more reading, realize the raw meaty bones (as opposed to recreational ones like the marrow bones) are integral to her raw diet.

The Tollden Farms paddies and the Sojo's are complete formulations and the Tollden Farms paddies are other meat sources (red). I appreciate that variety is key.

It's a learning process!
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