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Specific Tips for New Raw Feeders

This is a dedicated place for all of your questions and answers about Raw Diets. There are also some really cool groups like "Raw Fed" on the topic you can join. This forum is for people who already know they like the raw diet or sincerely want to learn more. Please remember that you are receiving advice from peers and not professionals. If you have specific health-related questions about your dog's diet, please contact your vet!

  
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Latte

Fetchaholic
 
 
Barked: Tue Jun 12, '07 10:36am PST 
While I believe that raw feeding is for every dog, I do not believe the same raw feeding works well for every dog. That is, some dogs may be allergic to chicken or find lamb to be too rich for them.

What tips would you offer those who are new to raw which could avoid them having to abandon raw feeding?

I'll start with this one:

TAKE IT SLOWLY

Why? "Cold Turkey" works for many dogs and they have NO adverse effects. (In fact, they would have not done well by inching into raw feeding.) However, many dogs do not do well by abandoning their normal feeding for 100% raw meals. They may throw up or have diarrhea. Slowly adding raw meat to their weekly diet might work for your furkid. You might want to start with one chicken wing (a favorite for many) or a single beef rib in a week.

Any other tips?
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Gio

CD RE (CKC)- RXMCL (CARO) FM- CGN SJATD
 
 
Barked: Tue Jun 12, '07 10:48am PST 
Just an extension onto what Latte said ... continue to go slow as you are adding new protein sources, too. I have to admit that I switched "cold turkey" and began adding "light" variety within a week. But I didn't start adding whole bones and organs for a few weeks after starting on raw meat.

But just because it worked for me, doesn't mean it will work for other dogs. So add variety slowly. If you started on chicken, then wait for the poos to stabilize before adding beef into the mix. Again let things settle before adding a new protein source. If you do too much at once, it can overwhelm your dog's system and result in poos or constipation, diarrhea or upset tummies.

And another tip ... don't be scared of vomit or diarrhea! During the switch (and randomly throughout your raw feeding experience) your dog WILL throw up and it WILL have runny poos. It will probably even get a little constipated. All of that, within reason, is normal. When your dog first throws up a hunk of meat after eating it, don't get scared off of raw and never try it again. Don't run out to buy kibble the first time your dog has runny splarts. This adjusting thing is all perfectly normal. At the risk of getting into Gross-Country, are human poops ever the same all the time? NO! Do you sometimes eat a really rich or fatty meal and spend the rest of the night on the toilet? YES! Do you run to the doctor after having the runs for a day? NO! Why? Because it is not a life threatening medical emergency. As long as the dog is still eating and drinking normally, hasn't shown an attitude change and is acting fine, then the runny poos or the vomiting and re-eating is all normal. If you are concerned, add some pumpkin to even things out and take a "step back". If you were feeding all chicken and your dog was fine and then they got a big rich meal of organs and had the splarts ... well go back to chicken for a few days and then try a smaller helping of organs and see how it goes.

A general trend that I have noticed is that if a dog vomits and goes to eat the food again, then they just puked because it wasn't sitting right in the stomach and they are going to re-chew and try again. If they vomit and then try to stay away from the vomit, they may not be feeling so hot so offer them lots of water and take it easy for a bit by preparing a more bland meal for the next day or so.
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Blake CGC

got meat?
 
 
Barked: Tue Jun 12, '07 10:51am PST 
This piggy-backs on Latte's TAKE IT SLOWLY.

**One thing at a time**

Once you introduce a raw protein into your dog's diet, stick with that one thing until all kinks are worked out. Wait until there are no chewing/gulping problems. Wait until your pup's potty breaks are predictable and normalized. Wait until there are no bone and bile vomits. Then- and only then- change ONE thing about your pup's meals. If you've been feeding wings and drumbsticks, try bone-in chicken breasts. If you've been feeding breasts, try quarters. If you've been feeding quarters, get a whole chicken a cut into meal sized pieces. Not all chicken is created equal, and it should be treated as such. I can't tell you how many people post with questions of lose stool and/or diarreah and over 1 week's time they changed their dog's feeding frequency, feeding amount, protein type AND cut of meat! Whoa! It's no wonder!!

So, my tip is to change 1 thing at a time and the transition will likely be seemless.

ETA- Gio, I think I was posting at the same time as you! I wasn't nearly as conservative as I advise others to be either (we did chicken for a week, then right into pork the next and never looked back). But, I knew I was going to be feeding raw regardless of a little diarreah or tummy trouble. The reason that I suggest such a conservative approach to others is one of the things you mentioned. Sometimes newbies get so freaked out from a little bit of lose stool and immediately jump ship. So, on this list, I try to suggest the path of least resistance. Slow and steady.

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Gretta

Where's my- Tiara?

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Barked: Tue Jun 12, '07 11:43am PST 
Don't let your mommy go meat shopping when she's hungry BOL!

Mom made that mistake last weekend, and ended up with some meat.... and a bag of baked ruffles with dip....and a chunk of brie.....and crackers naturally....and a heath bar....

big laugh

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Meridian

Proud to be a- kitchen wolf!!!
 
 
Barked: Tue Jun 12, '07 12:52pm PST 
Another thread just reminded me of something important to go here -- keep an eye on your dog while he or she eats. Take mental notes (or write it down) of how your dog handles different things, and what meal items seem to be working and which don't. This is especially important at first, when things that will become second nature to you are still new and maybe hard to "read".

For those of us who get fairly comfortable with bone crunching fairly fast, it does get easy to wander off when the dogs are eating and not pay full attention. For some raw feeders, this is going to mean that they won't notice when they're overfeeding and the dog is "squirreling" away meat for later, or if they're obviously taking a small item to quickly and need larger meats to tackle. For people with multiple dogs who eat together, it is important to watch closely, especially at first, so that you can be sure each dog is eating their share and any one isn't letting another dog "help". Keeping a close watch will help you if you do run into problems with your newly adopted diet, or help you if there is a health concern that's actually more of a coincidence than something caused by food.

Seems like common sense, I know, but I thought I'd mention it. On the other hand, there is a very important piece of advice for the VERY new raw feeders, and that's: Keep calm and don't hover or make a fuss while your dog is eating. I think a lot of dogs who seem to be resistant to eating raw at first, and/or regurgitate meals soon after eating them are actually responding to their owner's stress more than the food itself. Many new raw feeders are really edgy at mealtime because of the bone-eating thing. I know I was! It's really easy to hang too close to an eating dog, practically in the dog's mouth trying to see that the bones are chewed. The result? A lot of dogs will gulp even faster so that they can get out of the uncomfortable situation. Some dogs will gulp down impossibly huge peices just so that they can go elsewhere, regurgitate, and finish in peace. This is a TOTALLY natural doggie thing to do, but alarms new raw feeders. The best way to avoid this is to keep calm, and give your dog it's space. There is a balance between watching closely and watching too close.

A "nervous tummy" and throwing up and leaving meals after eating them can also be due to owner stress. It is part of a dog's instinct to look to pack leaders for cues on what it safe and what's not. You are your dog's pack leader (or should be), so when you're clearly questioning the safety of meals even though you're trying to be outwardly positive, your dog can see right thru the act. It is natural for them to stay away from things they have deemed might be unsafe, and if that means having to "get rid of it" after it's already been eaten because of signals they receive, then so be it.
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Sabrina- 2000~2012

To break- injustice we- must break- silence
 
 
Barked: Tue Jun 12, '07 3:02pm PST 
Great thread!

My biggest piece of advice to new raw feeders is to stop stressing about everything being perfect all the time.

When I first started feeding raw I was obsessed about Sabrina getting the perfect amounts of everything every day, having perfect poops all the time, eating the same amount every day etc etc. But this is not the way nature works. In the wild a wolf doesn't eat the exact perfect ratios of nutrients in every meal. Heck we humans don't even do that! The key is balance over time. It is perfectly fine to give your dog a variety of things as long as over the course of about a week they average out to give all the nutrients they need. It is fine to feed all chicken one week and all pork the next, it is fine to feed all your weekly organs at one (as long as your dog can handle that!) etc.

Remember that nature has packaged the perfect vitamin and minteral supplement in the form of a whole prey item. So, as long as you are approximating a whole prey item in your feeding (even if it's franken prey with chicken feet, beef heart, goats legs, chicken breasts etc) you are doing well.

And remember like Meridian said that everything else (pooping, vomiting, amount they eat etc) is also going to vary day by day. This is totally normal and much more natural-- think about the way we humans do things. Some days we eat a lot, then we're not hungry the next day. That's fine! If we eat too much variety that we're not used to our tummies will get upset, if we eat a lot of fat then we fart more. All that is totally normal as long as your dog is still acting themselves, drinking and eating at least something.

So stop stressing out so much because you'll just start to get obsessed and then rawfeeding will go from being fun for you and your dog to a scary nerve-wracking experience for everyone involved.
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Latte

Fetchaholic
 
 
Barked: Wed Jun 13, '07 11:23am PST 
Great tip-- DON'T STRESS IT

It goes with "IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE"

I was duped like most of the public (and vets) that the pet food industry had cracked a secret code and only they can provide a "complete" and "balanced" diet for our dogs. There is no "secret code". There is only common sense.

My "ah-ha" moment was when it came to my attention that the pet food industry has only been in place for about 60 years. How were dogs thriving for centuries before Alpo? The grocery store clerk while bagging my monthly haul of chicken quarters, likened it to the baby food industry - Babies did just fine before Gerber gave us "baby food".
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Meridian

Proud to be a- kitchen wolf!!!
 
 
Barked: Wed Jun 13, '07 11:42am PST 
big laugh Secret code! Yeah, as an illustration of this, take a look at this timeline of the Purina company and how Dog Chow fits into it. They cracked a code, alright, but I think this was a secret on how to make millions of dollars, not feed dogs properly!

All great suggestions for the new-to-raw, BTW! Anyone think we could get some "sticky" topics here on Dogster like they have on other message boards? This would be a good candidate for "stickiness"!
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Fendi

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Barked: Wed Jun 13, '07 4:04pm PST 
As a raw newbie, thanks everyone for your contribution!! I'm literally taking notes as people are adding to this thread and when I get home, I'm putting these notes on my frige. Again, I can't thank everyone enough....
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Sirius- Padfoot- Black

Too clever for- Mom's own good!- :)
 
 
Barked: Thu Jun 14, '07 7:38am PST 
Awww, Fendi! You're so cute! Hope you enjoy being a raw fed dog! Mom says to tell all you pups on this forum that it's because of you that I get good dinners now! Every time she's had a question, it seems someone else has asked it, just in time, and you all always had answers! Thanks to all of you!

We started out 'cold turkey' (ooh, that sounds good), and never really had a problem, but I did throw up the first couple of nights, then ate it again. Mom had already read on here that that would happen, so it didn't freak her out, and now I hardly ever do that, so it's all cool!

Siri
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