|Toto, CD, RN, CGC|
We don't do- doodles!!!
|Barked: Mon Oct 1, '12 4:38pm PST |
|Alpha rolling, by its very name, IS discipline! Frankly, if I ever had observed one of my mother dogs put a puppy on its back that would be the LAST TIME that dog was ever bred. We do not need that type of temperament reproducing itself!
ALL research has shown that the pups (or, any dogs which go down in the presence of another dog) ARE NOT TOUCHED in any way by the other dog, they go down ON THEIR OWN, as a show of submission. The only time this is not true is in the case of an all out attack, where the attacking dog does put the other dog down with force, usually involving a serious bite to the neck. This has NOTHING to do with raising a puppy and it indicates a very serious issue with the attacking dog's temperament. It also creates serious fear/submission in the dog being attacked, fear which many dogs will carry with them for the rest of their lives.
I frankly do not want ANY of my dogs to be submissive/fearful of me. I want them to trust me and know that I am fair and will not bully them into some perceived form of submission by holding them down no matter if it is on my lap or on the floor. You said, "Prepare the puppy will fight to get off their back. you must hold them onto their back firmly." That sounds pretty much like force to me!!
I have had German Shepherds, labs, Frenchies, poodles and a Springer over the years and ALL of them have done competitive obedience as well as breed showing for most of them. NOT ONE of them has EVER been put into a submissive down, yet not one of them has EVER challenged me or anyone else for Alpha. I am NOT a dog, my dogs know that, yet they respect and, yes, trust me to keep them safe from harm and to not to harm them in any way as well. As a result of this trust, they are friendly and accepting to anyone who meets them, they are always obedient, and NOT ONE OF THEM HAS EVER BITTEN ANYONE!!
On the other hand, working with dogs professionally every single day, I have seen plenty of dogs who have been trained using "ALPHA" methods such as a forceful dominate down. While many of these dogs do not hesitate to instantly follow a command, it is very obvious that their are following the command BECAUSE they fear the consquences of failing to follow that command. Just watch their eyes...they will dart to the left and right, they will be throwing calming signals as fast as they can, and, if pushed, they WILL respond by snapping if not all out biting.
This is definitely NOT the type of dog I want living with me. I have dogs because I enjoy their companionship and enjoy teaching AND learning with them. I do not have them to lord my superiority, strength and status over them.