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Daisy DLCC

We are foster- failures now.
 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 6:56am PST 
No Pugs, they give us the breeder papers and we do check them with reputable known breeders ( if we already don't know who these are ). We do ask them ( when they say it is a purebred ) where they got the dog from ( we get name / number etc. if no breeder contract and papers) and do check in every way possible. I can only speak about the places I work with as for this.

Also, a breeders paper is only as good as the person signing it. So it don't matter who signs it if they are no good.

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Addy, CGC

Let's go for a- walk!		 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 7:41am PST 
The ones we know that came from Reputable Breeders, give the papers. We DO NOT take the word of the owner that they are purebred from a breeder. Most are from other provinces / states. Legally it is NOT the shelter / rescue reponsiblity to contact the breeder. As we are NOT under contract with them to notify. Most times we do and in some cases they don't have the funds / time / space etc. to take these dogs back.

"Has papers" is not the same thing as "from a reputable breeder." Puppy millers and BYBs can provide genuine, legit, AKC papers. That doesn't make them "reputable breeders."

You may have no legal responsiblity to pick up the phone and call the breeder, but if you don't, you have no idea whether or not they would have taken the dog back if you had called.

And if you do call them, and they don't take the dog back or get actively involved in rehoming it, they aren't reputable breeders. Other Dogsters in other threads have mentioned their breeders pulling dogs from shelters. At least on other Dogster actively involved in rescue has mentioned that, when they do get a dog from a reputable breeder, they call the breeder and the dog is pulled by the breeder. Addy was taken back by her breeder from her original buyer who lost interest in her and didn't want her around anymore. If she'd been from a miller or BYB, she'd have wound up in a shelter or rescue; as is, she never passed through "the system" but was rehomed by her breeder.

You're using the meaningless fact of "having papers" to claim that these dogs are from "reputable breeders"--you are in fact lumping reputable breeders in with BYBs and puppy millers, or rather, calling BYBs and puppy millers "reputable breeders" because it suits your political views to do so.
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Rudy Patudy

Me woofs yoo- Dogsta am- Ebewypups !
 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 8:11am PST 
Bawkin' ouds woud.. I wead dis fweads wong ..I..I..I fought at fiwst it sez da Wepubwican Bweeder..nebermimesred facered face
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Daisy DLCC

We are foster- failures now.
 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 9:18am PST 
Addy, best you take a nap and then re-read what I said. I am NOT TALKING about BYB's or PM's. I am talking about the REPUTABLE BREEDERS. I do know the difference and we do find the breeders where possible. We have our list of reputable breeders of most of the different breeds esp in our area. If we don't know that particular breeder ( listed or told to us by the owner etc.) We contact the ones we know to see if they know them. Then contact them. NOT ALL "reputable" breeders can take back the dogs. Some are no longer doing it or can't for finacial reasons.

I am done trying to get you to READ the posts instead of assuming what is said.
The years of experience I have tells me more then what some web site says.

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bijou

simply the best		 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 9:41am PST 
"NOT ALL "reputable" breeders can take back the dogs. Some are no longer doing it or can't for finacial reasons. "

....then I'm afraid they are not being very 'reputable' ....in fact if they cannot take the dog in themselves the very least they could do is to contact their specific breed rescue to ask for help in rehoming a dog of their breeding ...they will often have waiting lists for their breed and also be experienced in assessing the breed temperament and matching it with any potential new owner.

In my opinion, a breeder who leaves ANY dog they have bred in a general shelter rather than moving heaven and earth to find an alternative home themselves is not ethical, reponsible or indeed 'reputable' .
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JaVa

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Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 10:01am PST 
By pure definition, a reputable breeder will always take their dogs back, so Daisy, the examples you are providing are not reputable breeders. Even those that are financially strapped or no longer breeding will have enough of a support system where their dogs would always have a place to go.
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Addy, CGC

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Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 10:33am PST 
NOT ALL "reputable" breeders can take back the dogs. Some are no longer doing it or can't for finacial reasons.

ALL reputable breeders have a low enough "failure rate"--especially failures so great that the dog goes to a shelter--that, yes, they can take back the dog, or within their network of fellow breeders, breed rescue, and already-screened homes waiting for available dogs, find a place for the dog to go. What they won't do, is leave a dog they bred in a general shelter to meet whatever fate awaits it there.

The problem, Daisy, is not my failure to read and comprehend your posts, but your failure to comprehend that "reputable breeder" does not include even the higher-end BYBs, who take care of their own dogs, exercise some care in placing puppies, and in some cases might take back a dog, but don't include take-back clauses in their contracts, and won't take a dog back if it happens to be inconvenient at the moment. That's not a "reputable breeder."
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skip

If I have it- wrong someone- will tell me		 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 10:35am PST 
....then I'm afraid they are not being very 'reputable' ....

I wholeheartily agree and not only have they lost there reputable breeder status they should no longer be breeding at this point in my opinion. In addition any responsible buyer or do person should shy away from them.

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Rocky

Got Food?		 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 11:48am PST 
I whole heartedly agree with the above posts, but I also understand the reason for Daisy's post.

The fact is, there are just so many wolves in sheeps clothing when it comes to breeders. I was truly shocked when I first started searching for a breeder even going through the breed clubs and show breeders. The greatest majority of breeders that the average person would consider "reputable" are not. I am very glad of thread like this that point out the (sometimes subtle) differences.

It is a shame that there is no particular way to tell, but there simply is not. Visiting and getting to know the breeder is the only sure method I am aware of.

Unfortunately where I live (farely remote from many breeds) that would mean a flight and I know most are unwilling to do that. I see many dogs who are flown in without the owners ever having a personal visit with the breeder. Whether they support breeders who readily ship like this, or the BYB from the paper, either way, most dogs are coming from BYB's or worse.

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Pugsley

I Might Be Small- But I Have It- All!
 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 12:00pm PST 
Daisy, thanks.. I gettca!

Is this gang up on Daisy day? Maybe the breeders she has meet everyone in her town/city considers a good breeder... You don't live where she lives so how can you judge how she feels? Everyone has a right to there opinion and it looks like you guys forgot that.

How many times has she said she sees NO PROBLEMS with going to a reputable breeder?

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