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George- Sullivan- Bailey, SDIT
Proud to be a- Connemara- terrier! |
 | | Barked: Sat Nov 10, '07 6:35am PST | |  | |  | | Addy, all of my breeder's foundation dogs are genetically fingerprinted and screened... BAER/CERF the whole nine yards. She does reserve the right to keep a pup from any litter produced if she feels that (genetically and temperament-wise) they would make an excellent breeding dog. She's quite active in the JRTCA and other breed organizations and is one of only a handful that breeds pure, old-world Irish Jack Russell terriers with NO Fox or Fell terrier infusion. The preservation and enhancement of this old-world line is her top priority. All of her dogs are well-cared for, with accommodations that would make any human envious. The dogs have spacious kennels (indoor and outdoor sections), fields in which to roam and run, and all rotate daily with staying in the house with her. All expectant mothers are kept in the house with her and treated like royalty. Pups are delivered in the house and raised completely underfoot, socialized to be accepting of people and the normal rhythm of the household. My breeder has tirelessly worked to get "our" strain of JRTs recognized by the AKC and other organizations, and just recently our little "Russell Terrier" is now on the way to formal recognition... thanks in no small part to my breeder. She does not show the dogs, because there are no "official" shows to participate in! She is quite active in terrier sporting days, trials, and the like.
If there is one thing I believe in in this world, it's my breeder and how much time and love, effort and money, goes into each and every one of her dogs. They are not being bred for profit... they are family and her life's devotion. Plain and simple. Just because a dog is not a show dog doesn't mean it cannot be of "breeding quality." Our little dogs have constantly been shunned from the show ring because they are short-legged JRTs and not "Parson Russell terriers." However, I have met many of these so-called "perfect specimens" and quite frankly was not impressed with their temperament or behavior. Beauty is one thing... brains is quite another, and our little terriers have both in spades 
You can check out my breeder at www.connemarajacks.com... I guarantee you'll be impressed!  |  |  | |  |
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Oni~Prince of Thieves
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| | Barked: Sat Nov 10, '07 8:14am PST | | | [notify] |
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Abby
Dane Kisses & - Dane Hugs are- the Best
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| | Barked: Sat Nov 10, '07 8:55am PST | | | | | | Breeders that charge thousands of dollars for a Breed of Dog.usually
will have a very nice long pedigree with recent( CH) champions in the pedigree to present to you when you adopt a puppy.
Breeders that show vest in their dogs and traveling to shows to aquire titles and points is costly especially with todays gas prices.
Breeders that show will have their litters sold prior to breeding.
If they do not then you need to ask why?
Research their Kennel and their pedigree. | | | | |
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Addy, CGC
Let's go for a- walk! |
| | Barked: Sat Nov 10, '07 10:13am PST | | | | | | Geroge, overall that looks very, very good--and I would certainly not argue that the AKC standard or the current fashions in judging are always right! A breeder who has specific reasons for differing with what currently wins in the ring, and is involved with other breeders following the same variant standard, and is competing their dogs in other ways, can be just as responsible, or more so, as an AKC champion breeder.
However, I still think that six litters a year is simply too many, and I have concerns also about limiting pedigree information. That's not necessary to restrict breeding--especially if, as she seems to say, puppies are not delivered to their new homes intact. | | | | |
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George- Sullivan- Bailey, SDIT
Proud to be a- Connemara- terrier! |
| | Barked: Sat Nov 10, '07 3:50pm PST | | | | | | Addy, puppies ARE delivered to new homes intact... she recommends waiting until about 6 months to spay a female... 6-8 months to neuter a male. She'll discuss it with you first, you both agree upon a month to schedule the surgery, and if she has not received proof of spay/neuter by the end of said month, she takes puppy back and charges you the full value of a breeding Jack (roughly $3000). So far, she's never had anyone renege on a spay/neuter agreement. You had also asked whether or not most of the puppies were spoken for before they were born... to answer, my breeder will NOT proceed with a planned litter UNTIL she has at least five reservations for pups from that litter. In the coming year, she has about six litters planned... and, as of now, only about 2-3 spots are available out of all of them combined... the rest of the pups are spoken for long before the parents are even bred.
To the poster who pointed out that my breeder said, "A good breeder does NOT breed 5-10 litters at a time," that means ALL AT ONCE... not spread out over one year. Just clarifying... not getting defensive...
Addy, just wanted to mention that I completely agree with your statement that what constitutes a "good breeder" isn't set in stone and varies according to the situation. Of course, there are some things that ANY responsible breeder will do (health testing, socializing pups, screening potential homes, taking puppy back in event of things not working out, etc.), but there are other factors to consider, as well. I'm so glad we have this thread going so everyone can contribute their input and help inform people who may not have any idea about what to look for in a responsible breeder | | | | |
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Lisa
Always my angel. |
| | Barked: Sat Nov 10, '07 9:11pm PST | | | | | | Wow, this has been some really great discussion.
There was another discussion we had on here a couple of months ago about reputable breeders; it was a really detailed and interesting thread that I think could supplement this one. I repost the link every time I see a discussion about reputable breeders on here, and here it is again: Finding a Reputable Breeder. It amazes me how that discussion spans 6 pages and this one on basically the same topic is still adding to it (it feels like we've hardly restated anything from the earlier discussion). It just goes to show how varying our ideas and standards of responsible breeding are, and how important responsible breeding is.
Some things everyone agrees on:
- Genetic health checks
- Spay/neuter contracts
- Lifetime return policy
- Proper socialization
- At least the mother is on-site for you to meet
For me, if at least those things are in place, I'm satisfied - though I have high standards and there are other things that I look for in choosing a breeder, if at least those 5 things are in place I'll be okay with your choice of breeder (meaning I won't think s/he is evil). | | | | |
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Oni~Prince of Thieves
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| | Barked: Sat Nov 10, '07 9:19pm PST | | | | | | Thank you George for clarifying...I wanted to read over it again to make sure, but then I realized that I was running late for work 
Congrats on being able to find a good breeder | | | | |
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Lisa
Always my angel. |
| | Barked: Sat Nov 10, '07 9:28pm PST | | | | | | A few more things I wanted to add:
From the OP: A good breeder is honest, and NEVER sells the puppies until at least 8 weeks old. (The reason for this is that puppies need this time with their dam (breeder's term for mother dog) and littermates so they can learn proper canine manners.) Some think that selling a puppy past 10 weeks is equally as bad, but I see no cause for concern there.
Just wanted to note that most responsible breeders of toy breed dogs (Chihuahuas, Papillons, Yorkies, and the rest) won't let the puppies go before 12 weeks old - they're still considered too young at 8 weeks, or even 10 weeks. Deborah Wood's Papillon books are emphatic about this, as are many other sources I've seen about choosing other toy breed puppies.
"Have the parents and pups been health-checked?" (Including hips/eyes/ears. Insist that you want to see the papers that clear them. Puppies cannot be tested for hips because it requires x-rays and is not allowed to be done until two years of age.)
This is where it's also important that YOU as a buyer are educated about what tests are appropriate and what the results mean - know what OFA and CERF numbers are or what the results of an OptiGen test mean. It means very little if you ask for test results and don't know what they mean once you get them. Figure out what the known health defects of your breed are and what tests can be done - and how, and when (ie, hip checks are not accurate before 2 years of age). If there is more than one test for a single defect, learn about them - you may find that you have a preferred test, and you may want to only choose from breeders who use that test. | | | | |
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