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Addy, CGC
Let's go for a- walk! |
 | | Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 1:49pm PST | |  | |  | | Pugsley, of course BYBs consider other BYBs "reputable"; how could they not? That doesn't make them reputable; being a reputable breeder means living up to the standards of reputable breeder, abiding by a code of conduct that Daisy's so-called "reputable" breeders aren't living up to.
When she says that every puppy born to even the most reputable and responsible breeder takes a home that could otherwise have gone to a shelter dog, not only is she factually wrong; she's also saying that reputable breeders are part of the problem--that it's not okay to go to a reputable breeder. And prefacing it, or following it, by saying "but I have no problem with people going to reputable breeders" doesn't change what she's saying. It's like saying, "of course that dress looks nice on you, even though it's ugly."
When she says that 50% of the dogs in shelters and rescues are from "reputable" breeders, she's, at best, displaying deep confusion about what the phrase "reputable breeder" means. It doesn't mean people that other people who know nothing about dog breeding think are nice neighbors or good business people. It means people who actually adhere to certain very clear standards in how they breed, which dogs they choose to breed, how often they breed, how they place their puppies, and the degree of responsibility they take for their puppies after the sale for the life of the dog.
If 50% of the dogs in Daisy's shelter are from "reputable breeders", that just means that there's a surfeit of BYBs in her area, and the locals are too lacking in knowledge to have any idea what a genuinely reputable breeder is. |  |  | |  |
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George- Sullivan- Bailey, SDIT
Proud to be a- Connemara- terrier! |
| | Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 5:27pm PST | | | | | | Daisy, honey, I totally got what you were saying!!!
Addy, honey, perhaps if you weren't quite so eager to prove everyone wrong, you'd take the time to read the posts and learn a little something for yourself. Everyone, no matter how much experience and knowledge they have, can always afford to learn more... IMO, of course.  | | | | |
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Gray Dawn- Treader
Don't Tread on- me
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 | | Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 6:12pm PST | | | | | | My mistress want to breed Collie and Shelties someday, so she's learning as much as she can. (I'm a Sheltie mix, just so you know. Yeah, I know. Has nothing to do with this thread.) Since something may happen to her, she wants to help in SOME way. So she wants people to know about these kind of things. I hope this thread is helping! | | | | |
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Lisa
Always my angel. |
| | Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 10:59pm PST | | | | | | Okay, I know we've gone kind of off topic here, but I'm confused. Daisy, I think I read your posts much the same way Addy did, and I don't think it's because I'm unintelligent or have poor reading skills (though I guess I could be wrong about that). I'm not trying to "gang up" on anyone here; I just don't understand what the point was you were trying to make about reputable breeders. I definitely read where you said, "I stand by my statement that IF you don't find a dog in a shelter/ rescue etc. then by all means get a REPUTABLE breeder dog." However, later you also said of reputable breeders, "I never once said THEY ARE the problem. I said they are part of the problem."
I guess this is where I'm confused. I don't think anyone ever thought you said that reputable breeders were the entire source of the homeless pet problem we have - but there is no one source for the problem (except for ignorance, I guess...). PMs are a part of the problem, BYBs are a part of the problem. But how can a breeder who by definition does all in their power to keep their puppies out of shelters be part of the problem? I guess what I mean to say is, how are you and your rescue group defining someone as a reputable breeder? Again, I'm not trying to gang up on you here; I just seem to have misread something as you indicated. For some reason every time I read what you wrote I felt like you were making two opposite points at once.
If I'm the only one who isn't getting this, then I'm really sorry. I know you probably feel like you've explained yourself over and over again, but could you tell me, really quickly, what the point is that you're trying to make then? | | | | |
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skip
If I have it- wrong someone- will tell me |
| | Barked: Wed Nov 14, '07 11:13pm PST | | | | | | Having worked with several rescues and being a board member I
have never experienced or have I heard anyone that I have talked to say that they have had a dog come in from a responsible reputable breeder. I think it is possible in rare circumstances for a dog from a reputable breeder to end up in a rescue but again it is rare that they do.
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Daisy DLCC
We are foster- failures now.
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| | Barked: Thu Nov 15, '07 2:28am PST | | | | | | Kisa, seeing as you seem to truely want to understand
" Okay, I know we've gone kind of off topic here, but I'm confused. Daisy, I think I read your posts much the same way Addy did, and I don't think it's because I'm unintelligent or have poor reading skills (though I guess I could be wrong about that). I'm not trying to "gang up" on anyone here; I just don't understand what the point was you were trying to make about reputable breeders. I definitely read where you said, "I stand by my statement that IF you don't find a dog in a shelter/ rescue etc. then by all means get a REPUTABLE breeder dog." However, later you also said of reputable breeders, "I never once said THEY ARE the problem. I said they are part of the problem."
What I mean is. for every dog born ( from ANY type breeder ) while dogs are in shelters, add to the problem. BUT, I don't feel at all that reputable breeders are the biggest or even close to the problem. If you can't find a dog from a shelter / rescue, I would want someone to get their dog from a reputable breeder. At least the good ones will have the dogs best interest at heart and stand by their dogs and the adopter. I don't believe as a whole or in an instant that reputable breeders are wrong or evil.
Purebred dogs from reputable breeders DO end up in shelters and I/WE do our best to find the breeder to let them know we have a dog of theirs. Sometimes things happen beyond their control and can't take the dog back ( they died / went bankrupt / terminal illness and a few other things.)The ones we have found DO take their dog back.
Everyday we add breeders ( reputable ) to our list so we do have contact numbers on hand incase one of their dogs show up. Unfortunitly sometimes we don't locate the breeder before the alloted time . I do know the difference between REPUTABLE / PM / BYB / HOBBY breeders. I work very hard to close PM's / pet stores down in our area ( thankfully we are doing good in that area ).
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