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My Pom is massive?

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02/02/2012		 
 
Barked: Thu Feb 2, '12 6:27am PST 
Recently i bought what i thought was a pomeranian, he is all back and currently 15 weeks old. He has all the right characteristics, and his face and his body is what i would expect it to be. However, he is only 15 weeks and weighs 3kgs... After taking him to the vet for his injections i realised that he may not be full pom even though he has come with papers. Any suggestions? By the way, by looking at him, and according to the vet, he isn't fat...
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Dylan

I'm a mama's boy- and academic		 
 
Barked: Thu Feb 2, '12 5:28pm PST 
Dylan, my Pomeranian, is 8.2 lbs but his half-brothers are nearly 20 lbs. All of them have papers and I have Dylan's pedigree. 100% Pomeranian... Pomeranians are decendent of 30+ lb Spitz-type dogs that originated in the Arctic/East Asian regions. Wikipedia will tell you all about Spitz-type dogs. Anyway, the reasons [I've heard] for the larger Pomeranians is that they still have some "large" genes and sometimes, if not from a breeder that has consistently chosen the runt or smallest gene carriers for breeding, the sire or dam can throw larger genes. This size difference does not necessarily mean that your Pom isn't 100% Pom. Genetic testing will tell you for sure but if you have his/her papers it is probable that it is 100% Pom but is just a result of "older" Pomeranian genes. Be happy because this can often mean that he/she won't suffer from many of the issues that smaller Poms that are the result of runt/downsizing breeding often have.

Hope this helps!
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Pidgeon

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Barked: Thu Feb 2, '12 10:58pm PST 
Yep, just as Dylan said, poms are descendants of 30+ pound spitz, and some will be 'throwback' poms, exhibiting those genes. Also, it's rather important you be sure of the type of papers your pom was registered. I only trust AKC, because they will ONLY register pups with parents that have been AKC registered, and so forth and so on so you can trust that what you are getting is purebred. But I've heard dogs with CKC papers could be anything, as the CKC will register anything with four legs and a description. Papers don't necessarily mean everything in that case! But my first pom, Sabian was AKC reg, and at 8 months was 13 pounds. He just ended up being one of the bigger ones!
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Nicky

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Barked: Fri Feb 3, '12 3:46pm PST 
Nicky is purebred and weighs in at 14#
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Prince

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Barked: Sun Feb 5, '12 3:18pm PST 
I just wanted to say that just because a dog comes with papers/pedigree this does not guarantee it's pure bred. This is another reason why research, getting to know the breed prior to purchasing and finding a reputable breeder is important. I am not in any way saying your Pom isn't a full Pom or that you didn't do your research, I am just saying that just because a dog has 'papers' this does not mean the dog is definitely pure bred.

In the UK we have The Kennel Club (these are known as the 'papers') but there are A LOT of breeders who register their dogs/litters with the Kennel Club but aren't full Pomeranian and do not even look like a full bred Pom (not just Poms all other breeds too).

Did you see the pups parents? When buying a pup you should always see the parents, or at least the mother. How did they look to you? If the parents are large then that's most likely why your pup is larger. But yes, sometimes a pup can be what is known as a 'throwback', the parents can be of breed standard size (or close to) but a pup can end up being larger.

Although Poms do come from the Spitz (which were larger) I think we need to remember that full bred Poms are actually a toy breed, like the Chihuahua, Yorkshire Terrier etc and are meant to be small dogs, but like I said, sometimes 'throwbacks' can happen.

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Dylan

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Barked: Mon Feb 6, '12 7:11am PST 
Prince - They are only a "toy" breed because we, humans, have bred them down to being that size. Most "toy" breeds are derived from larger dogs that were bred down for various reasons (rodent hunting, company keeping, etc.) and, therefore, accepted into the AKC under those standards. This being said, the AKC wants exclusivity so they keep their standards to what they believe is the "ideal" size/shape/color/weight/etc. should be. Falling in to the Toy Group according to the AKC holds no bearing on the possible genetics of a dog or where they are derived from.
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Cowboy

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Barked: Mon Feb 6, '12 10:28am PST 
Cowboy is (probably) a pure pommie and he is 13.5lb at ~13 months.
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Bentley

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Barked: Mon Feb 6, '12 10:00pm PST 
Bentley is pretty small he weighs 7 pounds now at around five and a half months when i got him at 8 weeks he weighed 3! He was a tiny little guy smile I personally have seen large and small poms, Bentleys father was a larger pom so we expected him to be bigger. Regardless of their size poms are just super cute amazing dogs! wink
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Cam

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Barked: Tue Feb 7, '12 6:37am PST 
Poms have been bred down from a larger size, so there is a possibility that some Poms grow large. Cam was 6 pounds at 6 months. Now he is 9 pounds His mom's, adult size is 6 pounds and is father is 7. I still love him no matter what. Cam is a year old now, so he probably will not get any bigger. Cam is also pure bred and registered, but he's 9 pounds. Going by the growth chart his puppy weight shouldn't have topped 6-6.5 pounds. Buying from a reputable breeder or buying a pure bred doesn't guarantee size you can only predict it based on the parents and how good the dogs linage is.

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Barked: Mon Feb 13, '12 2:38pm PST 
Thank you all for your help, we did see the parents, and they look to me of average size, but the whole litter did seem slightly larger. Luckily, he is a healthy 4kg, and the vet is convinced he's not over weight. I did read back on the poms, and see they originated from a larger size, just i was slightly disheartened when the vet said he was the biggest she'd seen, as in her experience poms fully grown weigh between 2kg-3kg which to me seemed quite small. He is happy, and he is starting to tower over our papillion who is pure bred and 7 years old, but his fur is growing lovely and he's fit in just fine smile
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