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Gabe the Dog

It's Gabe. Gabe- the Dog
 
 
Barked: Sun Dec 9, '07 12:20pm PST 
I agree with Princess that I'd leave the garlic out or at least only use it off and on, not continuously, I believe that like onions (but not a drastically dangerous as onions)it can have a compounded effect that will become more and more unhealthy if there is no break from that ingredient. A general home made diet that includes grain is usually 1/3 rice, 1/3 meat, 1/3 veggies. I'm not sure how to compare lbs of meat to cups from the recipe. I have read that white rice is easier for dogs to digest as a carbohydrate source, but lots of recipes and premade foods use brown rice, oats, etc.

The recipe needs ground eggshell powder or a or a dog calcium supplement. I'd also encourage a multivitamin (we like Standard Process) and Salmon oil to cover all nutritional aspects. happy cooking!
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Quinn

Walk, sniff,- pee, repeat...
 
 
Barked: Mon Dec 10, '07 4:53pm PST 
The other posters are right about adding some kind of oil and a calcium supplement. You could also use kelp help or seameal too, but something like that can't replace the calcium supplement. I used seameal, which also contains a digestive enzyme. Eggshell powder is a good calcium supplement and you can find suppliers online. There's a brand called eggshellent calcium which is just for pets.

I would add that you should try to cook things quickly, like sauteeing or slowly at a low temp like a stew. Your goal is to try to cook the foods while retaining as many of the nutrients as possible. When I homecooked (I have now switched to raw) I used to simmer the meat with hard veg just til cooked then cook the grains (usually oats, brown rice, barley or a combination of those) in the broth. I used to grate or finely chop softer veg (summer squash, zucchini, kale, spinach etc) and briefly sautee or even just mix it into the warm meat/grain mix raw. I made mine from a recipe from Dr Pitcairns guide to natural health from cats and dogs, which is a great resource for those interested in caring for their pets in a more holistic way. I used garlic as per the recipe because it does have benefits, but not in the amounts your recipe lists. To 1 1/4 cup oats (dry amount), 3/4 pounds of meat and 1/4 cup of veggies I added only 1/2 clove of garlic. I added it raw at the very end with the calcium supplement.

Include organs in your pups diet too. The trace minerals and vitamins (like vitaimin a, copper, iron etc) in things like liver and heart are plentiful. My dog loves chicken livers! You may have to ask your butcher about these things or try an ethnic market, but its well worth it. Organs should make up about 10% of the amount of meat you feed your dog.

The only other important thing I would add is that you should make sure to give your pup a variety of meats. Rotate between poultry like chicken and turkey, red meats and some fish. I used to feed two types of meat in one batch. If your dog is sensitive or has allergies you may want to stick to one type of protein at a time. Rotating proteins helps fill in any nutritional gaps in his or her diet. Different kinds of meat contain different levels of each amino acid, by feeding more than one, you're giving your dog more opportunities to get what he or she needs.

Wow this got long!! I learned all this stuff while researching my own dogs diet. Some of it is from dogster threads, some from other websites like this one and some from books like The Whole Pet Diet and the Pitcairn one I mentioned. Good luck!

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Gabe the Dog

It's Gabe. Gabe- the Dog
 
 
Barked: Mon Dec 10, '07 5:46pm PST 
hey Quinn,
Did you find that butchers have organ meats on hand or have to special order? How crazy do they think you are : ) I could deal with cooking kidneys and livers...I'm veg and did not do so well with doing our own raw mixture, gag But I home cook lamb and could just mix the organs in and cook them, right?smile
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Quinn

Walk, sniff,- pee, repeat...
 
 
Barked: Mon Dec 10, '07 7:15pm PST 
Hi Gabe! I don't eat meat either and let me tell you... my whole apartment stinks like livers for hours when I cook them for Quinn, so gross!! But she loves them so much that I don't mind so much. So, that's one plus about feeding them raw, although she's not into them raw yet, so I still sear the outsides.

What I used to do was get a whole container of chicken livers at the grocery store (I live in a neighbourhood with a high ethnic population so you can get all sorts of weird things just at the regular grocery store!) then I would just tip them all into a saucepan and cook them over low heat, there's a lot of bloody stuff in the container and I just cooked them in that... gross I know! Then, after they were just cooked I would chop them (chopping them cooked is far less gross) then I would squish them into an ice cube container and freeze them then bag them up. Each cube is around 1 ounce of liver. I found this way I could control how much liver she was getting. Liver is rich and can cause splarts, its also high in vitamin A so you don't want to feed too much (this was more an issue when I was still feeding kibble since that already has enough vitamin A in it and I didn't want to overdo it). It was also a better way for me since I used to buy a lot at once and didn't want to deal with dividing them raw and cooking them often, too smelly! I used to feed it about 2-3 times a week either defrosted and mixed with dinner or I would giver her a frozen cube as a treat. Gabe may not be as excited about livers as Quinn though!

You can definitely mix the organs with the meal when you cook the meat. I used to feed chicken gizzards like that. Gizzards are cheap and you can feed those just like regular muscle meat and your pup won't mind at all, they just think its chewy chicken.

Good luck on your organ adventures!!

ETA I haven't asked butchers about the organs since I could find them at the supermarket, but I bet they would at least have liver on hand. Apparently its a popular thing for some people to eat. I was never tempted to sample it when I was cooking it though laugh out loud I am going to have to make friends with a butcher now we are on raw!

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Gabe the Dog

It's Gabe. Gabe- the Dog
 
 
Barked: Mon Dec 10, '07 7:42pm PST 
I have definitely seen chicken parts, but Gabe can't do chicken. I have made friends with the grocery store butcher in order to keep a steady supply of lamb, could take it one step farther and ask for parts or go to the butcher shop and see what they have. Thanks for the tip, I'll start with a small amount as I still feed kibble as a snack and in case it doesn't agree with his system right away...ohhh what I will do for the puppuppy
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Quinn

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Barked: Mon Dec 10, '07 8:26pm PST 
Awww, I didn't know you couldn't eat chicken Gabe! Quinn wishes she couldn't eat chicken, she loves lamb but doesn't get it often because its usually so expensive around here. I bet they'd also have beef liver. I have found that easily at the grocery store. Kidneys are good to feed too, if you can find them. I really need to find a source of more varied organ meats. I admit that I am going to feel like a total weirdo going into the butchers and asking for miscellaneous animal parts. At least if I get a weird look I can say "they're for my dog!" Yup the things we do!
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Arko

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Barked: Tue Dec 11, '07 6:22am PST 
for the garlic-get garlic tablets or capsules....they sell at pharmacy's cvs grocery's etc....

or use powdered/granualted...its just dehyrdated and ground, so its still got flea repelling power..!

some people do say that use variety in place of supplements..some say do both, some say variety is unnecessary when you supplement...just be careful not to overdo it...you CAN OD on calcium (not die, but suffer some pretty gross effects) and other things...(but mostly thats if you take a couple hundred times the daily recommended amount a day

and (sorry!! i forget who posted it!!) cooking in broth or quickly is the best way to go....think asian! (not racist!!!) that culture cooks very quickly because they've learned that there is less nutrient loss that way smile or yea....cook in homemade stock or water and then use that broth over and over again smile
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