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Aster Let's go for a- swim     Barked: Thu Dec 30, '10 8:19pm PST  All of Bam Bam's work seems based on a single paper somebody saw fit to make available on the net. The staffs at the veterinarian schools and service dog schools have read it, the comments on it in the next issue, and hundreds of other papers not available for free on the net. They seem to have come to a different conclusion. Of course, they are giving away dogs, not selling dog food. As Bam Bam says, somebody has to dispel the myths. my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals [notify]

Mulder Spooky Mulder     Barked: Thu Dec 30, '10 8:27pm PST  So because its available on the net for free, its worthless? Information should be privatized to the point where only vets and guide dogs school have access to it, yet they want to tell us how to do things citing information we can't even see? Edited by moderator Fri Dec 31, '10 9:38am PST my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals Edited by forums moderator

Aster Let's go for a- swim     Barked: Thu Dec 30, '10 8:54pm PST  I think anybody can subscribe to the JAVMA. I know they can go to a major university library and read it for free. Also the Journal of Nutrition. my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals [notify]

Mulder Spooky Mulder     Barked: Thu Dec 30, '10 9:05pm PST  Sorry, but I'm not going to pay $20 to read an article on the JAVMA, or $20 in gas driving to a university to see it for "free". If you want to post its contents here, please do, but I'd rather spend that money buying meat for my dogs. Edited by moderator Fri Dec 31, '10 9:37am PST my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals Edited by forums moderator

Stinky 1150057     Barked: Fri Dec 31, '10 10:37am PST  I'm sorry, but just as you don't want to believe anything you read here on dogster, I'm not going to just stop all my research and believe all the "facts" that come from a guide dog school. Just because an organization has been around for a while and doing the same thing for ages doesn't mean it's correct. Guide dog schools are subject to outdated information just as much as everyone else. Same with schools for humans, some of their policies are outdated. Does it make them right just because they're an authority? No. Does it make them wrong? No, but this is where doing your own research comes into play, not blindly following what your told. my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals [notify]

Aster Let's go for a- swim     Barked: Fri Dec 31, '10 10:55am PST  Outdated information? When did you first hear of the dangers of grapes, raisins, and Xylitol? I learned about them in one of my training sessions in 2004. At that time I was active on a number of dog forums and I was the first one to bring the subject up. The school's early switch to the ALS food goes back to the 80's, before large breed puppy food was widely available. As the practice spread, to maintain and even expand their margins, the dog food manufactures developed the large breed puppy chows. They heavily promote them because they are highly profitable, little different from an ALS food, but selling for much more. No the school isn't still doing what it was in the 80's. They have gone to an even earlier switch. Some others wean the puppies on ALS. Large breed puppy chow is at best marketing hype and at the worst still rich enough to promote excessive rates of growth. Some people buy marketing hype, and some don't. Just how much do you know about service dog schools? Over the last 20 years I have seen many changes. It is true any large institution tends to be slow changing, but many of the changes I have see at the school came before I see the same thing happening elsewhere. my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals [notify]

Mulder Spooky Mulder     Barked: Fri Dec 31, '10 5:11pm PST  Large breed puppy chow is at best marketing hype and at the worst still rich enough to promote excessive rates of growth. Some people buy marketing hype, and some don't. Please pull up the analysis from a LBP food and an ALS food, at tell me how it is too "rich"? You mean too much protein? CALCIUM causes excessive bone growth, NOT protein (please remember here, dogs are CARNIVORES. Protein isn't the enemy here. If it was, wolves and other wild canids would have died off from the top of the food chain long ago). And, as has been stated endlessly, THAT is the difference in LBP foods and most ALS foods- the calcium/phosphorous are kept at numbers to promote steady, even growth. Not the 2% < that goes into the ALS, which is WAY too high for a growing large breed (any breed, honestly). Edited by moderator Sat Jan 1, '11 11:17am PST my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals Edited by forums moderator

Titan snugglesaurus- rex     Barked: Fri Dec 31, '10 5:37pm PST  i haven't fed my dogs grapes or raisins since the 80's. my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals [notify]

Zoey,- Shellie &- Griffin Natural & Loving- it!     Barked: Fri Dec 31, '10 7:16pm PST  Aster I have seen MANY a large breed pup with joint/growth problems who have been on a ALS diet, my Shellie included, she had Osteochondritis Dessicans in her shoulders when I got her (she was pretty much full grown by 7 months which is NOT good), we were lucky enough she didn't need surgery for it, but her parents had her on an adult dog food that was ALS before I got her :-( They had to give her up because they couldn't afford surgery to correct her joint issues she got from an incorrect diet, once the issue was corrected they'd had a baby and Shellie ended up having other health issues they couldn't afford ($120 every 3 months for Diabetes Insipidus meds). I have seen LOTS of large & giant breeds with joint issues due to bad puppy or adult foods. APPROPRIATE LBP food is one food 'hype' as you call it I am COMPLETELY sold on. Edited by author Fri Dec 31, '10 7:17pm PST my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals [notify]

Aster Let's go for a- swim     Barked: Fri Dec 31, '10 9:02pm PST  One anecdote only casts doubt on the credibility somebody employing it. While keeping a puppy lean and avoiding fast growth reduces the chances of joint problems, genetics still rules. Even then, it faiils, http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/ofa-mating.html Excellent to excellent carries a 5% failure rate. my posts | my page | msg me | my family's posts | gift me | become pals [notify]

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