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Hill's ZD Ultra Allergen Free

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Missy MooMoo
 
 
Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 3:38pm PST 
Opinions?
My vet wants Magpie on this since he believes her ear allergies are food related. She was eating Orijen6 but will transition starting today plus she starts prednisone and cortisone cream today too so her ears will clear up despite the food. What do you all think of this food?

Ingredients:
Starch, Hydrolyzed Chicken Liver, Soybean Oil (preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid), Hydrolyzed Chicken, Powdered Cellulose, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Glyceryl Monostearate, Potassium Chloride, Iodized Salt, Choline Chloride, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), DL-Methionine, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, Ethoxyquin (a preservative), Beta-Carotene.
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Maya

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Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 3:44pm PST 
silenced Don't feed this food I BEG you!! Vet's always recommend the Hills food but it's soooo bad!! It contains basically every bad chemical I can think of at this moment for preserving food. Hopefully Sedona wll pop in here, shes good with this stuff.

ADD: Bad preservatives that I can remember: BHA, and Ethoxiquin

ADD: Here's a section from an article I found on studies done on BHA

"The World Health Organization and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency consider BHA a possible carcinogen, and further warn, "This chemical may cause cancer. It is an allergen. It is a suspected endocrine disrupter. It may interfere with, mimic or block hormones." Their studies report, "In test animals, BHA has caused cancer in the forestomach. Humans do not have a forestomach, although the cause of any kind of tumors in animals is cause for concern. In test tube studies, BHA has mimicked the hormonal actions of estrogen. Repeated contact with skin may cause irritation and skin allergies/dermatitis." All published findings agree with the fact that BHA is a tumor promoter."

Edited by author Fri Jul 18, '08 3:48pm PST

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Maya

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Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 3:51pm PST 
Here's another section of an article about Ethoxyquin

The bad boy on the label ==> Ethoxyquin

The U. S. Dept. of Agriculture for toxicology information lists ethoxyquin in their Farm Chemical Hand-Book as a pesticide, used in fruit scald control. It is also used as a rubber preservative. It is FDA approved for use as an antioxidant for carotenes vitamin A and E and the prevention of the development of organic peroxides.

It is approved at 150 ppm in paprika and chili powder, and because it is used as a preservative in livestock feed, the following residue allowances in human consumed animal products as follows: 5 ppm in or on the uncooked fat of meat from animals except poultry; 3 ppm in or on the uncooked liver and fat of poultry, 0.5 ppm in or on the uncooked muscle meat of animals, 0.5 ppm in poultry eggs, and zero in milk.

The above information brings up the question why the FDA allows such a small amount of ethoxyquin residue (5 to .5 ppm) in human consumed foods yet allows such high amounts (150 ppm) to be used in pet food and livestock feeds?

In the case of the dog, pound for pound, a dog is consuming up to 300 times more ethoxyquin than allowed for people. (depending upon the weight) Also many dog food manufacturers are not always listing it as an ingredient on the packaging, but sometimes merely print "E".

Check your dog or cat food label to see what the pet food you are using is being preserved with.

Monsanto's (the manufacturer) own cautionary warnings in using and handling this product: They warn that it may cause allergic skin reactions, irritation to the eyes and skin. They advise that workers must wear eye and respiratory protection. The container of ethoxyquin has a very prominent skull and crossbones with POISON written in capital letters.

Ethoxyquin is listed and identified as a hazardous chemical under the criteria of the OSHA Hazard Communication Standard (29 CFR 1910, 1220).

The Chemical Toxicology of Commercial Products says that ethoxyquin has a toxic rating of 3 (on a scale of 1 to 6, with 6 being super toxic requiring less than 7 drops to produce death). At that level it can slowly develop depression, con-vulsions, coma and death; skin irritation and liver damage.

In a recent study by The Department Of Pathology, Nagoya City University Medical School Japan, it was found: ethoxyquin promoted kidney carcinogenesis. Also, it significantly increased incidence of stomach tumors and enhanced bladder carcinogesis.

The FDA maintains it is safe, yet have asked pet food manufacturers to "voluntarily" lower the levels to 75 PPM.

I've included some of the better sites that inform you of ethoxyquin below, including the FDA report. I suggest you take some time and read these, then you will be able to make an informed decision on your own. copy and paste each link into your browser

www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00119.html

www.canin e-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/Ethoxyquin.htm

www.mindspring.com/ ~woofsportsusa/petfoodpreservatives.htm


You know fellow pet lovers, I get a lot of letters from folks telling me about their pet's sickness or diseases and then asking what they should do.

I'm really convinced that a major reason why our pets are getting sick is because of the high levels of toxins in the foods, plus the nutritionally inadequate foods they eat.

Believe me, it's far, far easier & cheaper to prevent disease than try and cure it.
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Missy MooMoo
 
 
Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 3:52pm PST 
I don't like Hill's products and the vet could tell but he said there was no alternative. shrug He also said I would slowly (starting with homecooked) add meats and grains to her diet to see what she won't have an allergy to so I can get off the Hill's ZD when I know what Magpie can tolerate. She was doing great on Orijen6. Her ears are her only itchy problem.
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Maya

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Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 3:54pm PST 
I'd get a second opinion.
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Maya

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Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 3:55pm PST 
I don't understand why would you need to switch to that brand of food instead of just slowly transitioning to a homecooked to figure out the allergies...where are you other dogsters!! The food and nutrition section is usually quick but it seems a bit slow today.
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Missy MooMoo
 
 
Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 3:57pm PST 
Thanks for that info Maya, I don't want those products being fed to my baby, especially knowing Monsanto manufactures it (they don't exactly have the public's wellbeing in mind).

Is there a BHA/Ethoxyquin free alternative to ZD????

Edited by author Fri Jul 18, '08 3:58pm PST

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Sedona

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Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 3:59pm PST 
Oh goodness. I had no idea the ingredients were that bad. The only meat is hydrolyzed. Hydrolyzed meats, from my understanding, have been boiled for a very long time in a strong acid or strong base so they are broken down into amino acids. They almost always have MSG in them.

What about getting an allergy test? Have you and your vet considered it?
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Maya

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Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 4:01pm PST 
I'll try and figure something out for you. I might be able to find something for you. Did the vet give a specific reason for needing this food before switching to the homemade to figure out whats wrong?

Add: I didn't even realize that about the hydrolyzed, I'm glad you popped in Sedona!!wave

Edited by author Fri Jul 18, '08 4:03pm PST

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Sedona

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Barked: Fri Jul 18, '08 4:03pm PST 
Probably to clear up the ears, or in other words, to start an elimination diet on a clean slate.
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