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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

My Little Dog, a- heartbeat at my- feet.<3
 
 
Barked: Wed Oct 16, '13 3:13pm PST 
... But let's not allow that in the city, right?

Sigh.

I understood people not liking my dogs being tied in my old home(townhouse), even if I NEVER had them unsupervised.

I understand people not liking nuisances(incessant barking, aggressive behavior, not cleaning up after dogs in public places, etc)...

But this is a little ridiculous. People walk by, naturally, my dogs bark through the fence at them. I ALWAYS go call them off, EVERY TIME(unless it's Sabi's mom of course cause she knows to just tell them to shut it anyway). I will say, first, "Ria! House!" and she turns tail and runs into the house. Instant quiet. Good girl. Charlie will or will not, depending on WHAT he's barking at. If there's a dog, all heck breaks loose and he's going to bark and bark because he's frustrated and wants to go say HI! If it's a person, it's uncommon for him to bark at them(without there being something strange, like a skateboard or carrying something big, etc) and he's relatively easy to quiet.

But I've received a complaint all the same. Because HOW DARE my dogs be dogs and bark at someone walking by.

They DO NOT bark incessantly. Even Sabi's mom said she never hears them and she lives in the unit below me!

They get called off immediately if they do bark at someone because I think the behavior is rude and I want people to know that I look after my dogs and don't like them harassing people.

So... I'm wondering if it's one of two people.

a) the neighbor who I called on because their dog was tied up in the yard and was SCREAMING for HOURS sounding like he was HURT(I DID NOT file a formal 'noise complaint' - I simply called and asked an investigator with the Humane Society to investigate it because I was concerned about the dogs well being in that moment and made it clear I had NO noise complaints to make and that I was not bothered at all by said dog; not to mention you have to go through Bylaw specifically for noise anyway) It was known by a couple people in the neighbourhood that I was the person to call so perhaps it got back to the owner and perhaps there was more done than I know about.

b) someone new just moved in across the street and she's not necessarily the nicest person in the world, although I did meet her, make a point of saying hi, and introducing my dogs and she said she used to pull dogs from kill shelters in the States and work with rescues, so I can't really see her complaining about dogs barking at the fence, but is really the only one I can think of right now.

or c) there's this little asian man that goes around pushing a stroller, sometimes a cart, checking bins for bottles, etc and my dogs ALWAYS bark at him because they're a little nervous with him(and perhaps him, them), but he's always paid them no mind.

I'm a little frustrated, because I didn't think I was causing problems at all. I didn't think my dogs were causing problems. I rarely have them unsupervised, because if I'm not WITH them, I'm at the window, or someone else is with them(S.O., etc). Charlie is a bit of an escape artist, so I don't want to risk him getting loose, which is why I never really leave them out there alone. But, this IS the whole reason I wanted a place with a yard - because my dogs CAN'T harass people any more than barking, when it's through a fence. And they don't have to be tied up.

Sigh... I dunno what to do other than either use my dog run(which they can still bark through anyway), or keep them on leash out there and immediately escort them into the house when I see someone(which I think is RIDICULOUS to have to do!).

Suggestions?

You want to know what was suggested for behavior modification in the letter of complaint? HA.

1. Reference Material - Pamplets on problem barking are available from most veterinary clinics.

2. Obedience School - A list of approved schools is available at most veterinary clinics.

3. Behavior Consultants - Please consult your telephone directory under "Dog Training".

4. Electronic Devices - These are designed to break the nuisance barking habit and are available from local pet supply stores. Please consult your veterinarian before utilizing this approach.

5. Debarking - Please consult your veterinarian if you wish to discuss this procedure.


SERIOUSLY? My dogs DO NOT bark nearly enough for ANY of that! At all. Any trainer would laugh at me. They ONLY bark when someone or a dog is going by my house. That's it. Which is NORMAL dog behavior! I WANT my dogs alerting me to people, as long as they're not being incessant about it.

Wth.

I called the bylaw officer dealing with the specific 'file complaint', and left a message to talk to her about it.

The funny part, is I'm wondering what TIME they complained, because the complaint was on the 12th. We left early afternoon and were gone ALL day out of town WITH the dogs. I have neighbours that can vouch for my dogs, and others that can vouch for my dogs being out of town with us 90% of that day as well.
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Opheila

It ain't over- till the fat- kitty sings
 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 6, '13 9:36am PST 
Oh Charlie I'm sorry you're going through all this. I would say definitely you want to talk to the officer. If they're decent sorts they'll talk to you like human life forms. Explain exactly what you said in the post. You don't let the barking go on endlessly, you always supervise, you don't let your dog harass anyone. Dogs bark and that's all there is to it.

Our dogs bark at dogs on either side of us. If the people come out I call the dogs in. But I'm not always home and they don't obey the rest of the family very well. But I can't be everywhere. Really talk to the officer and maybe you can win them to your side. Good luck!little angel
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Sabi

When the night- closes in I will- be there
 
 
Barked: Wed Nov 6, '13 11:28am PST 
It's just one nasty witch who has complained about trash bins, parking and dogs. Just about everything she can. I parked in front of her house one night and she told me I couldn't. It's a road, I'll park where I like. I am trying to figure out why someone who hates dogs would move to a street where there is a dog in EVERY house. She just moved in and if she keeps it up I will be having a chat with her Landlady. Shadow likes Charlie, and we live really close yet I never hear Charlie or Ria barking for more then a second. The one complaint was made on a Saturday when NONE of the dogs in this house were outside. Charlie and family were gone and my two were inside because I was out. So this is just stupidity.
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Lupi

I\\\'ll do- anything for a- treat!
 
 
Barked: Thu Nov 7, '13 2:59pm PST 
I'm sorry you're dealing with this Charlie. Maybe the person who called in the complaint didn't realize which dogs were barking, if there are lots of dogs living nearby.
My neighbour's dogs bark at Lupi and us, and every person who walks by and the barking has gone on for hours when the neighbour gets drunk and forgets he's left them outside. He's gotten many complaints and his solution is to muzzle the Beagle, which muffles the barking. I feel so sorry for those dogs.
Anyway, Lupi barks too if a person with a dog walks by, but I always call her in like you do. I do worry though that new neighbors will think she's the incessant barker, since the dogs next door never get walked, whereas Lupi is a very visible presence in the neighborhood.
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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

My Little Dog, a- heartbeat at my- feet.<3
 
 
Barked: Fri Nov 8, '13 11:42am PST 
I did speak with the Officer. Upon being told we weren't home Saturday when the complaint was filed for, she said there was no guarantee that THAT was the day of the barking, as it was a generalized complaint. She also asked what I was doing, I basically told her everything I told you guys. Then I continued by saying, "so if I'm already correcting the behavior and NOT allowing my dogs to be incessant barkers, what more can I do?" Her response was to just keep doing what I'm doing, because to her, it didn't sound like they were nuisance barkers, and that the complaintant had to keep a log of my dogs barking for SEVEN DAYS to determine whether or not they were actually nuisance barking. Which is considered to be for several minutes or more, and constantly throughout the day. Then we had to rush on getting the dogs licenses renewed, as the Officer threatened us with a $500 fine between the two dogs if I didn't get on it within four days. Of course, that fine being JUST about licenses. Sigh. I also realized that EVERY time my dogs go outside, my neighbours dog is barking at them, regardless of whether or not my own dogs are barking.

Sabi - it's been confirmed it's her making all the complaints(is she seriously complaining about the trash bins too? The woman can't drive, so I can see her complaining about trash bins on the street on the opposite side of the road! Not only does she need a spotter to park in a 40 foot space between vehicles, but she even pisses off the spotters trying to help her because she just struggles soooo badly with it. laugh out loud )? You may find it humorous, but Walt actually saw her pull up and she was waiting for him to move his truck a few weeks back, he just sat there, having a smoke, me in the passenger seat, my brother outside the drivers door, and we stayed like that til she finally went and parked up the road a little. She didn't say a word, simply made a point of sitting there waiting for us to leave. So... Walt made his point and left after she parked. It's a public street(and don't ALL those houses, or at least most of them, have parking in the back anyway?). Also, she claimed to have pulled dogs from kill shelters in the States to rehome them here in the past, so you'd think if her story was true, she'd understand dogs a lot more and wouldn't be so bothered. APPARENTLY, her son who lives with her though, works graveyard shift so I wonder if that has anything to do with it. Do you know who her landlady is Sabi?

Lupi - It's possible they're not sure which dogs are actually barking and assume it's mine, because she KNOWS mine live here and has met them, and I don't think she's met any of the others. Not to mention that my neighbours dog barks far more, even when she's in the house, and is far louder, and barks any time my dogs are out too, which doesn't help. If they try to fine me, I'll fight it though AND I'll get statements from several other neighbours about my dogs and how they actually are to fight it too. I'm not paying a fine that my dogs, nor I, deserve. We haven't done anything wrong, and as far as me and my fiance are concerned, our dogs are doing their job. smile

That poor Beagle... Makes me wanna come over there and pupnap him. frown
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Sabi

When the night- closes in I will- be there
 
 
Barked: Sat Nov 9, '13 12:14am PST 
Landlady is the crazy old lady that is always working in the yard. And yes Mischa's barking is getting worse as her eyesight fades. Next time AC shows up let me know.
We will work out a dognapping date. Shadow likes beagles.
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Bunny

Black dogs rock!
 
 
Barked: Mon Nov 11, '13 3:58am PST 
hug and laugh out loud Sabi
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Flicka ~ CGC

NO-ONE is going- to sneak up on- my Mummy
 
 
Barked: Fri Nov 15, '13 2:19pm PST 
bumping
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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

My Little Dog, a- heartbeat at my- feet.<3
 
 
Barked: Mon Nov 18, '13 3:34pm PST 
Sabi - After her calling W's work and complaining about him HEATING UP HIS TRUCK(which, thanks, but we're going to continue to do, a) because he needs his truck to run PROPERLY in this weather and b) because we have an infant to put in the truck in this cold weather).. I'm absolutely done. I'm keeping a log of any and all complaints she makes and I'm seriously considering writing a formal complaint to her landlady, AND calling and getting an Officer to go talk to her about HARASSMENT. I'm tired of her crap.

Actually, Zombie, I find a VAST majority of the people on here are fantastic, extremely knowledgeable, above average owners who adore their pets and know more than your average dog owner. Perhaps if you weren't getting so snitty about people disagreeing with your uneducated opinions in almost every thread you post in, you wouldn't find them to be that way at all. But to each their own. smile
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Opheila

It ain't over- till the fat- kitty sings
 
 
Barked: Sun Nov 24, '13 5:52pm PST 
I was just thinking of anything that might help. If you have a wire fence would putting those plastic baffles up help any? I've noticed with my dogs if they can't see they don't bark so much. Our front fencing lets them see part of the sidewalk. But either side is stockade fence and they don't get so nutty even when there is somebody on the other side.

The other thing might just be your neighbor is a yutz and nothing is going to please them. All you can do in that case is get in good graces with animal control and try to reach out to neighbors who will defend your case. We have some pain in the butt neighbors, but animal control and some good friends would vouch for our dogs. Wish you the best!
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