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This is a forum to discuss legislation and legal matters pertaining to the rights and welfare of dogs. Please remember to counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice and responses.
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Kolbe
Where can I run- today? |
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Josie
I'm all ears! |
 | | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 1:49pm PST | |  | |  | | Westley,
I didn't post that to say "support Yates", I posted it so people would be aware of the legislation and because I agree with his views on this particular issue.
I don't want people to be irresponsible owners, but I don't beleive it's the government's place to control what people do with their pets either, within reason. (Within reason being I agree with animal cruelty laws, leash laws, etc., but I disagree with the government interferring with things like MSN, BSL, breeding laws, how many pets some should be allowed, etc.)
Education, not legislation. |  |  | |  |
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Westley
Am I a Rottan- Shepherd Dog?- :-D |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 2:51pm PST | | | | | | Lack of breeding laws and restriction on the number of domestic animals one is allowed to have are 2 conditions that allow for the existence of puppy mills. Puppy mills are by their very nature cruel.
If you don't want people to think you support what you post in it's entirety, you should include a description of why you are posting it. People aren't mind readers. | | | | |
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| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 3:13pm PST | | | | | | I felt Josie was quite clear. I'm also not a mind reader. | | | | |
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Gunner
I solemnly swear- that I am up to- no good
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Dingo a.k.a.- Miracle Dog
Help save our- furry friends in- the South |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 5:54pm PST | | | | | | I think what Westley was saying that if she didn't agree with John Yates entirely then she should say that upon posting. Josie never mentioned once until Westley mentioned all the other things JY supports, then all of a sudden she doesn't agree with him. She had no problem putting up info on how to donate to him! Now i wouldn't donate to an organization unless i agreed wholeheartedly on what their mission is. Now doesn't that sound familiar? If not go back a few posts, its exactly what you guys say about people who support PETA for many different reasons      | | | | |
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Dingo a.k.a.- Miracle Dog
Help save our- furry friends in- the South |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 6:03pm PST | | | | | | Just in case you don't remember. Here's what you wrote earlier today:
I can not understand how people can support an organization when they disagree with the ultimate goal of the organization. Supporting the organization is helping them get to their end-goal. (No domestic animals.) | | | | |
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Josie
I'm all ears! |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 6:25pm PST | | | | | | Dingo,
I said I *did* agree with what he wrote in the article I posted. I don't agree with everything he's ever said, but I do agree on this issue. Guess what? There's certain things I agree with PETA on, too (although on most things I disagree). It doesn't mean I am *supporting* them. There's a difference between agreeing on an issue and supporting.
And I don't feel it's my place to edit something and still say that a certain person wrote it, when I, in fact, would have been changing their original text. Most people writing an article for thier organization are going to mention "you can donate to us". | | | | |
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Addy, CGC
Let's go for a- walk! |
| | Barked: Thu Jul 3, '08 6:22am PST | | | | | | I don't think PETA is evil. I think that some individuals within the organization may be evil, and some things done by the organization are evil, but you have to realize it as a HUGE ORGANIZATION. One of the largest in the country. That means the average PETA member probably is not evil, but is more aware of the impact of their choices on animals than they were before becoming involved with PETA. Most PETA members are pet owners and animal lovers. Many of PETA's actions do good in the world.
I'd love to see the leadership given the boot and the more moderate members take over, but I'm not ready to condemn an organization that has done a great deal of good just because it has also done a great deal of evil. I will condemn the evil done, but I won't lump the good in with it.
Augustin, I think you've got it exactly backwards. The founders of PETA, its board and upper management, are the people who set the goals of the organization and define what the organization is. They are evil, and they have created an evil organization. Many of the individuals associated with that organization, the rank-and-file volunteers and the people who innocently give their money to it in the belief that it will be used to help animals, are not evil, just deceived.
I absolutely do condemn PETA for all the evil it has done--even though, yes, along the way, they've accidentally done some good, too.
I've noticed that these forums are pretty much run by people who want to rant about other organizations for their lack of doing anything themselves. Keep telling yourself, "well my dog comes from a reputable breeder" most likely, no they don't.
Dingo, I know exactly where my dog comes from and yes, she does come from a very reputable breeder. Thank you for your concern. Or did you mean to call me a liar?
it was the HSUS that went undercover at a stock yard here in CA where diseased and crippled cows were being proded into the slaugter house, this was one of the biggest beef recalls in history.
Yes, HSUS. Not PETA. They're not the same organization, don't have the same founding intent, and despite some real problems with HSUS, they are now turning away from PETA's radical "animal rights" program of eliminating domestic animals, and back towards their roots as an animal welfare organization.
Josie said:
A serial killer may help little old ladies across the street. Sure, it's a good deed, but he's still an evil person. Same with PETA.
Dingo replied:
Really Josie? I just received this in my email for the evil HSUS. I wonder if they killed all 700 dogs they saved from this puppymill, if we listened to you and others on here, thats what we would think
Again, HSUS is not PETA, and PETA is not HSUS. PETA does not get credit for what HSUS does, nor does HSUS get the blame for what PETA does. It's PETA that takes in animals promising to find good homes for them, and then kills 97% of them, in many cases before their "rescue" van turns the corner.
You can't defend PETA by citing the good work of HSUS. And HSUS even in its worst years labored against the evil of puppy mills. | | | | |
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