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This is a forum to discuss legislation and legal matters pertaining to the rights and welfare of dogs. Please remember to counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice and responses.
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Josie
I'm all ears! |
 | | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 11:43am PST | |  | |  | | I strongly urge anyone supporting "animal rights" to do what research to what the "animal rights" movement is actually about.
Most PETA members don't even know what PETA's agenda is. I'd guess that 95% of people that say they believe in "animal rights" actually believe in "animal welfare".
The goal of animal rights is the extinction of domestic animals. No livestock, no service dogs, no pets, etc. ZERO interaction between humans and animals.
"There is no hidden agenda. If anybody wonders about -- what's this with all these reforms -- you can hear us clearly. Our goal is total animal liberation."
- Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animal Rights 2002" convention, June 30, 2002
"It is time we demand an end to the misguided and abusive concept of animal ownership. The first step on this long, but just, road would be ending the concept of pet ownership."
-Elliot Katz, President, In Defense of Animals, "In Defense of Animals," Spring 1997
"We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding."
- Wayne Pacelle, Senior Vice-President oF HSUS, formerly of Friends for Animals; Quoted in Animal People, May, 1993
"Eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship – enjoyment at a distance."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, quoted in The Harper's Forum Book, Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223.
"Liberating our language by eliminating the word 'pet' is the first step ... In an ideal society where all exploitation and oppression has been eliminated, it will be NJARA's policy to oppose the keeping of animals as 'pets.'"
-New Jersey Animal Rights Alliance, "Should Dogs Be Kept As Pets? NO!" Good Dog! February 1991, p.20
"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete jungles -- from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by which we enslave it."
-John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic, PETA, 1982, p.15.
"The cat, like the dog, must disappear..... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist."
-John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of a Changing Ethic, PETA 1982, p.15.
"As John Bryant has written in his book Fettered Kingdoms, they [pets] are like slaves, even if well-kept slaves."
-PETA's Statement on Companion Animals
"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, "Animals," May/June 1993
[Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.
"Pet ownership is an abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, Washingtonian, August 1986
"Human care (of animals) is simply sentimental, sympathetic patronage."
- Dr. Michael W. Fox, HSUS, in 1988 Newsweek interview |  |  | |  |
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Addy, CGC
Let's go for a- walk! |
 | | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 12:22pm PST | | | | | | Dingo, PETA used the Vick dogs to raise money "for the care of the dogs" even though they didn't have one single Vick dog in their care, and in fact were advocating killing them all. They are utter hypocrites.
In Virginia, where their headquarters is located, they take in healthy, adoptable animals promising to find them homes--and kill nearly all of them. In 2007, according to the numbers they submitted to the state, they adopted out 17 animals--and killed nearly two thousand.
They don't operate a shelter. They have no means to adopt out animals, or any real interest in doing so. They could, with the many millions they take in each year, but they don't. Ingrid Newkirk and others in the PETA leadership are in fact quite clear about their ulimate goal--no domestic animals, no close contact between humans and non-human animals at all.
PETA is not your friend. I think John Yates is a useless, self-interested alarmist, but he's not evil. PETA is evil. | | | | |
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Augustin
Arrrr... where- be the rum? |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 12:45pm PST | | | | | | I don't think PETA is evil. I think that some individuals within the organization may be evil, and some things done by the organization are evil, but you have to realize it as a HUGE ORGANIZATION. One of the largest in the country. That means the average PETA member probably is not evil, but is more aware of the impact of their choices on animals than they were before becoming involved with PETA. Most PETA members are pet owners and animal lovers. Many of PETA's actions do good in the world.
I'd love to see the leadership given the boot and the more moderate members take over, but I'm not ready to condemn an organization that has done a great deal of good just because it has also done a great deal of evil. I will condemn the evil done, but I won't lump the good in with it.
For example, large parrots are no longer sold in Petco as a result of a PETA boycott-- GOOD!
People are far more aware of cosmetic testing on animals and have the option of choosing "Leaping Bunny" cruelty free products because of PETA's work-- GOOD!
People are far more aware of fur farming and fake fur is more fashionable because of PETA's work-- GOOD!
Sending dog fighting paraphernelia across state lines is a federal crime thanks to PETA and HSUS-- GOOD!
McDonalds told suppliers to meet new humane standards or lose Mickey D's business-- GOOD! | | | | |
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Dingo a.k.a.- Miracle Dog
Help save our- furry friends in- the South |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 12:46pm PST | | | | | | I know what PETAs agenda is as well as their mission statement. I also know what the HSUS's beliefs are. I've noticed that these forums are pretty much run by people who want to rant about other organizations for their lack of doing anything themselves. Keep telling yourself, "well my dog comes from a reputable breeder" most likely, no they don't. Guess what? I don't go to circuses, zoos, aquariums, petting zoo's, etc... Because they're disgusting and 99% of the people that go to those places completly disregard or just don't want to know how those animals get there and how they're really being treated behind the scenes. Go ahead and write about how proud you are to frequent these places or eat meat with disregard on where it comes from, just know that for all you meat eaters out there, it was the HSUS that went undercover at a stock yard here in CA where diseased and crippled cows were being proded into the slaugter house, this was one of the biggest beef recalls in history. This beef was distributed all through out the country. Are you guys suggesting that we get rid of these organizations, so that you can eat diseased beef in ignorant bliss? Bring up the Vick dogs, if it wasn't for the work of these two organizations, they wouldn't of been able to charge him with a FEDERAL crime. On that note i think most of the people on here don't know what PETA or HSUS's real agenda is as a whole, i think you look at only what you want to. Yes, Addy i agree John Yates is an alarmist, but its people on these forums that keep posting his writings and unfortunately if enough people do that, others will think he's a crediable source. | | | | |
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Josie
I'm all ears! |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 12:58pm PST | | | | | | A few good deeds does not excuse the core of the organziation.
A serial killer may help little old ladies across the street. Sure, it's a good deed, but he's still an evil person. Same with PETA.
I can not understand how people can support an organization when they disagree with the ultimate goal of the organization. Supporting the organization is helping them get to their end-goal. (No domestic animals.) | | | | |
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Dingo a.k.a.- Miracle Dog
Help save our- furry friends in- the South |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 1:02pm PST | | | | | | Really Josie? I just received this in my email for the evil HSUS. I wonder if they killed all 700 dogs they saved from this puppymill, if we listened to you and others on here, thats what we would think:
700 Happy Endings
At some level, our work at The HSUS is about transformation. We are pushing a transformation in thought in our society. We want people to recognize animals as individual beings deserving respect and protection. They are not just things, or resources, or commodities, or targets, or economic opportunities in the waiting.
But, in our work, we also are about the task of a more physical transformation. We want to transform the places where animals live, to make them better, enriching, and safer. Atlantic Canada, for example, should not be a killing place for seals, but a safe nursery where people engage seals with cameras and binoculars rather than clubs and rifles.
© The HSUS/Michelle Riley
The dogs were living in ghastly conditions.
And sometimes, we even need to transfer the animals to new places and spaces so that their lives will be transformed.
And that's what we've been hard at doing for the last week with nearly 700 dogs we rescued from a puppy mill in rural Hickman County in Tennessee—the largest puppy mill raid in state history. In total 747 animals were rescued from the property, including horses, donkeys, cats, chickens, parrots, and a goat.
We invited a number of local and national animal welfare groups in to join us in this rescue operation. And after we pulled these suffering animals from their squalid small cages and gave them food and water and comfort, we began the process of shuttling the hundreds of dogs to Atlanta, south Florida, and other communities inviting them in and standing ready to help. And just before midnight late Sunday night, some members of our Emergency Services team set out from Tennessee with nearly 100 of these dogs and headed to our Gaithersburg, Md. headquarters.
A few minutes before the team was set to arrive HSUS staff and volunteers set out to the parking lot to welcome them. Tennessee District Attorney Kim Helper, who helped to build a case against the puppy mill operator, traveled from her state to join us, vowing that her office would aggressively pursue prosecution. It was a delight to be with her, and we are indebted to her for taking on this case, after just two and a half months in office.
As the rigs pulled in everyone broke out in applause. Many were moved to tears. Local camera crews captured the activity. It was a magnificent moment.
© The HSUS/Michelle Riley
Typical of a puppy mill, many breeds were discovered.
One by one the animals were offloaded. A large, bushy black Newfoundland who looked frail and weak from years of breeding, a shy German Shepherd who was scared to leave her cage, litters upon litters of puppies—it seemed to never end, and it was hard to believe that this was just one-seventh of the animals confined on the Tennessee property. On hand were personnel from the Washington Humane Society and the Washington Animal Rescue League, ready to take these dogs to their shelters and to ready them for adoption in the community.
As the transfer of the dogs wrapped up one of our staffers commented that we have some real heroes within this organization. We sent about 70 HSUS staff to conduct the rescue, to care for the dogs, and to begin the process of moving them to their new, bright chapters of their lives. Our efforts were led by Scotlund Haisley, whom you've read about before on my blog, Stephanie Shain, who is directing our Stop Puppy Mills campaign, and Leighann McCollum, our Tennessee state director, who was instrumental in bringing this puppy mill to the attention of the DA’s office. And not far from our minds was our friend and supporter Jana Kohl, who is traveling the nation and talking about her book, "A Rare Breed of Love," as part of her crusade to shut down puppy mills.
Just pure evil! | | | | |
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Kolbe
Where can I run- today? |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 1:28pm PST | | | | | | No one said HSUS killed 97% of their animal intake, PETA did. It's well documented and they even had to go to court because of the way they were disposing of the bodies.
Sorry. I do things on my own regard.... I write letters, I support local small farms who practice more humane slaughter, I volunteer at the shelter, I read, research... I don't need OR want to just blindly hand my money over to a giant organization who may or may not do with their money what I donated for. How sickened I would feel if I donated money to PETA and later find out the money was used to get BSL on the books (which they support, by the way). The good they have done does not erase their end goal. I can't ever support a group that wants my dog dead. Sick.
Just because someone does not support PETA does not make them a bunch of careless jerks who love supporting circuses and eating 12,000 Big Macs a week.
I'm glad that they have done good things, like the HSUS puppy mill dogs, but I don't think people should just ignore all the horrible things that they also stand for. Ingrid is insane and I think people have a right to know that, especially people who want to join the organization and donate money to it. | | | | |
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Westley
Am I a Rottan- Shepherd Dog?- :-D |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 2, '08 1:37pm PST | | | | | | So, Josie, do you know what Yates' real agenda is? It seems to me that he wants absolutely no regulation on dog owners or breeders, no matter if it is for the protection of the animals, owners, or community. He seems to think people should be able to breed dogs as often as they want, have as many dogs as they want, let them run around loose with no ID, or keep them chained in the yard, modify their appearance however they feel, feed them or provide medical treatment, or withhold it if they want, and use them to whatever ends the owner feels like. To me this sounds like someone who doesn't even see dogs as feeling creatures.
There are always extremists at both ends of any issue. The leadership at PETA is one extreme. Yates is the other. I think that most dogsters have enough common sense to realize that a balance somewhere in the middle is probably the best for all. Should we all be aware of the official positions of the organizations we support? Of course. Should we all be aware of new laws being passed that will affect our daily lives? Absolutely. Should we blindly believe one person's interpretation of how those laws will affect us? Ummm, I'm not going to. Especially if it's counterintuitive. | | | | |
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