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Heidi CGC
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 | | Barked: Tue Apr 29, '08 7:23pm PST | |  | |  | | As a Finance major you can imagine how much those numbers are bothering me!!! The biggest problem is that some ignorant person will go to that site and believe those numbers.
There are thousands of things that can kill you! I mean look at the Darwin awards. Unfortunately Nadiya I don’t think I would be surprised, which is the sad thing. Good luck with those presentations |  |  | |  |
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Leika
Me First, Me- First!! |
| | Barked: Tue Apr 29, '08 7:27pm PST | | | | | | Was just alerted to this study today. It explains the CDC dog bite/fatality statistics...including explaining how those statistics can't really be used to support BSL. If it's too long for you...at least read the Discussion section at the end. I've pasted some bits of it here... Please alert others to use this study in their anti-BSL activities or even just for their own knowledge to understand what's going on with today's laws. Notice the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS mentioned??? I think I'm going to print this out and mail it to my legislators!
Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks
in the United States between 1979 and 1998
Jeffrey J. Sacks, MD, MPH; Leslie Sinclair, DVM; Julie Gilchrist, MD;
Gail C. Golab, PhD, DVM; Randall Lockwood, PhD
Vet Med Today: Special Report
JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
Conclusions—A lthough fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty,
enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional
and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and, therefore, should not be the primary factor driving public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and
hold promise for prevention of dog bites. (J Am Vet Med Assoc 2000;217:836–840)
Finally, it is imperative to keep in mind that even if breed-specific bite rates could be accurately calculated, they do not factor in owner related issues. For example, less responsible owners or
owners who want to foster aggression in their dogs may be drawn differentially to certain breeds.
When a specific breed of dog has been selected for stringent control, 2 constitutional questions concerning dog owners’ fourteenth amendment rights have been raised: first, because all types of dogs may inflict injury to people and property, ordinances addressing only 1 breed of dog are argued to be underinclusive and, therefore, violate owners’ equal protection rights; and second,
because identification of a dog’s breed with the certainty
necessary to impose sanctions on the dog’s owner is prohibitively
difficult, such ordinances have been argued as unconstitutionally vague, and, therefore, violate due process. Despite such concerns, a number of breed-specific ordinances have been upheld by the courts. 14-16
Another concern is that a ban on a specific breed might cause people who want a dangerous dog to simply turn to another breed for the same qualities they sought in the original dog (eg, large size, aggression easily fostered). Breed-specific legislation does not
address the fact that a dog of any breed can become dangerous when bred or trained to be aggressive. From a scientific point of view, we are unaware of any formal evaluation of the effectiveness of breed-specific legislation in preventing fatal or nonfatal dog bites.
An alternative to breed-specific legislation is to regulate
individual dogs and owners on the basis of their behavior. | | | | |
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Dutch
Hey Big Dog! |
| | Barked: Tue Apr 29, '08 10:50pm PST | | | | | | Actually the study you reference is the worst place to get your information. The CDC relied on data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and media accounts. First we all know how "accurate" the media is when reporting dog bit fatalities. Second HSUS would like to see the end of pet ownership in their lifetime. What could possible go wrong?
They counted deaths by on-duty police dogs.
When crossbred dogs were involved in a fatality, each suspected breed in the dog’s lineage was counted once for that episode. So if a pit bull / Lab cross - as determined by HSUS and media - was involved in a fatality, that would count as one hash mark in the pittie column, one hash mark in the Lab column for that single incident. Knowing how HSUS and the media feel about pit bulls what do you bet that nearly every fatality involved some sort of pit bull cross?
A better place for information is the National Canine Research Council website.
Check out this page that shows just how wrong the media gets it. | | | | |
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Lilo
Support bully- love. Ban BSL.
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| | Barked: Wed Apr 30, '08 12:10pm PST | | | | | | I say people like her need to use this much effort fighting something important.
Like the cigarette companies.
You know, something that actually kills more than 10% of its victims a year.
It's just... ugg... people like this person make me sick to my stomache.
She's obviously never met a family dog that is- indeed- a pit bull.
And, obviously, has her facts from the "media" who's full of BS and will say anything anyway- if it means they'll get attention. They'd probably slap "Pit Bull Puppy" on a pug if it meant it would cause chaos. | | | | |
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Liwanu "Mack"
Must find the- wabbit!! |
| | Barked: Wed Apr 30, '08 1:18pm PST | | | | | | Thanks for the links...I'm helping a middle school student with a power point presentation for one of her classes on Pit Bulls. I'll make sure she checks them out (including the nasty one....there is something to learn from it).
On a lighter note...I like the CDC...They flat out admit that their numbers are flawed and how they are flawed. You should see the looks on people's faces when I tell them 'The pit's friendly...stay away from the red one though'...Everyone assumes Mack is friendly and Tonks is mean but the truth is far worse. Keep fighting the good fight my friends!! | | | | |
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Liwanu "Mack"
Must find the- wabbit!! |
| | Barked: Fri May 9, '08 8:26am PST | | | | | | It's a middle school project that is basically comprised of three things;
1) Breed Traits (Physical and Mental)
2) How/What/Why the breed was created and how they are still considered one of the greatest all-round breeds
3) The Myths and Truths as portrayed/hidden by the media.
She's got two more weeks and we've gotten halfway through #2. She's doing a great job at being fair and Tonks and I may be able to go into class with her during presentation.  This girl is awesome she is working over time and it's already a wonderful slide-show. Maybe I can convince her to put it on YouTube for everyone. | | | | |
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