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This is a forum to discuss legislation and legal matters pertaining to the rights and welfare of dogs. Please remember to counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice and responses.
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Donovan'sMaj- esticJet of- Solace
Street sweeper! |
 | | Barked: Sat Feb 16, '08 1:30pm PST | |  | |  | | Pixie, look at it this way regarding pits and pit like pups. Ted Bundy and Dorothy Wornoff marry and have two children.(Parents are male and female serial killers) First child stays at home and is raised by the serial killer parents. Second child is taken away from them and raised by parents who are educators. Chances are REALLY great that child one will be a sociopathic serial killer. Child 2 chances are REALLY great that it will be normal, law abiding citizen. While no one disputes genetic and hereditary involvement, it is not a given. ANY breed trained to fight and kill will do so predictably 99.9% of the time. ANY breed taught to love, respect and trained to behave will 99.9% of the time. I didnt like a lot of different breeds too until I started going to the dog park and got on dogster. I met many many pups at the park (pit like pups)who were well behaved and lovable. Ironically, the pups I met at the park who were aggresive and had bad owners were GSD'S, my favorite breed. |  |  | |  |
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Gabriel
No, pay- attention to- meeeeeee!!!!!!!!- !!! |
| | Barked: Sat Feb 16, '08 8:17pm PST | | | | | | Breed Bans are just lazy legislation. Instead of taking the time and putting in the work and effort to control dogs the proper way-threw the owners......................its much easier for law makers and other ignorant ppl to ban an entire breed of dog, than to focus on the fact that bad dogs come from owners who are irresponsible, selfish, and uncaring. The fact is that irresponsibility, selfishness, and a lack of empathy is what causes most of the issues we face in society. Instead of putting in the work to change the thinking of an entire society, to work at teaching ppl and especially children to care about themselves, their neighbors, their communities, to take responsibility for their actions.........................governments make lazy legislation to just keep things limping along.
So if anyone thinks BSL doesnt affect them because they dont own a "bad" breed or a dog or even an animal for that matter........it does. Its one more band aid being used to skirt around the bigger problems, everyone needs to push their lawmakers to make laws that focus on teaching people about proper pet care, punishing the owner's deeds, and educating children about proper care and responsibility they need to show for all the other beings around them whether they are furry, scaly, wet, wild, two-legged, or four.Edited by author Sat Feb 16, '08 8:17pm PST
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Treble
The Analytical- One |
| | Barked: Sun Feb 17, '08 1:13am PST | | | | | | I didn't see the Kerry Blue Terrier (KBT) on the list as someone had mentioned. There aren't enough of them for anyone to object to them. Fortunately, both of my kids slid on by... Berners and Kerries  Though, the list is very skewed and clearly the result of laziness and ignorance in legislation. | | | | |
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Donovan'sMaj- esticJet of- Solace
Street sweeper! |
| | Barked: Sun Feb 17, '08 7:55am PST | | | | | | Gabriel, I agree. It also makes it very difficult for responsible owners to properly train our pups. In my area there are many loose, vicious dogs. There are many things I need to teach off-leash but cant because of this. It also makes it difficult to teach to be non-leash reactive when my pup is leashed and being terrorized by these animals every 10- 15 minutes, on our walks. | | | | |
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Bartholomew- Samson- Mozart
Stay away from- my squeeky ball. |
| | Barked: Sun Feb 17, '08 8:53am PST | | | | | | Well, I knew I was a BSL breed, and hate it. But when is this going to stop? What happened to freedom of choice??? I'm not a bad dog, just, as mom calls me, "a Bo Bo". I'm just over one year old, and still a pup...and not so well behaved sometimes. But I have never bitten anyone or any other dog.
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Eponine
Love- unconditionally. |
| | Barked: Sun Feb 17, '08 8:44pm PST | | | | | | I'm not surprised. Actually, the only thing I was surprised to see is that Collies weren't on the list, as I know they too have seen their share of this... phenomenon. As any Albert Payson Terhune fan could easily tell you, even Lassie, the icon of all things wonderful in the dog/human bond, is not exempt from the kind of bogus bull-hookey that breed bigotry (let's face it, BSL is the equivilent of dog racism) promotes. In the 20's (breed bigotry is NOT new), much of the same stuff that is being said now about "dangerous" dogs was being applied to collies... they were believed to somehow be more closely related to wolves than other breeds, have special teeth or jaws that were somehow more dangerous than other breeds (sound familiar, pit bull lovers?), and of course there was the belief that they were "treacherous" dogs that would "turn on you," and there's not a breed alive that hasn't heard THAT little gem directed at it at some point.
It all amounts to ignorance, and fear that could be better channeled to something a lot more useful. For example, if the idea is that we want the community to be safe from problems arising from aggressive dogs. Well, it may not be statistically the most dangerous thing in the world, but hey, I'm statistically not at a very high risk for getting shot on campus but if you wanna buy everything the news says we should worry about that too, so let's just say that protecting the world from the Dog Threat is a noble and Very Important pursuit. So what's the most effective way to accomplish that end? Community programs? Education about proper pet care and ways to approach a strange dog? Getting children to understand how not to look like a prey animal? Stricter regulations on leaving a dog chained, which is a leading cause of bites? Nope, apparently, it's deciding how dangerous a dog is based on what it looks like. Because there's an indicator for sure! After all, our noble legislators are only giving their constituents what they want, and constituents, of course, are educated on the Cartoon Film Principle of deciding what is a danger... i.e. the one who is the bad guy is the one in the leather jacket, the animal with the biggest teeth, the witch with the warts, etc.
SIGH.
It is all so sad. | | | | |
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soooo true.
