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This is a forum to discuss legislation and legal matters pertaining to the rights and welfare of dogs. Please remember to counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice and responses.
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Kaylee Grace
Mommies lap is- mine!!! |
 | | Barked: Wed Apr 11, '07 9:03am PST | |  | |  | | I fully agree. This is a bad law. There are too many flaws. While the idea is just, the way they are going about it is wrong. The dogs in shelters and on the streets have (usually) nothing to do with responsible breeders. Most breeders will take back their dogs and do require s/n contracts.
"A study Exploring the Cat and Dog Surplus Problem listed the top 10 reasons that dogs are relinquished to shelters as
Moving
Landlord issues
Cost of pet maintenance
No time for pet
Inadequate facilities
Too many pets in home
Pet illness(es)
Personal problems
Biting
No homes for littermates
Most of reasons that dogs are relinquished to shelters have nothing to do with spay/neuter.
AB 1634 is being sold as the solution to a pet overpopulation problem. Yet more spay/neuter cannot put a significant dent in that problem, because the problem is largely one of adult dogs being relinquished to shelters, not an excess of unwanted/unplanned litters that spay/neuter addresses. The real problem at California animal shelters is not due to an excess of irresponsible dog breeding. It is an undersupply of responsible dog ownership.
Most of those who back AB 1634 do so because of their legitimate concerns about dogs having to be killed in shelters. But AB 1634 won't help. It will actually make the real problem at shelters worse.
In animal shelters, what one finds are regional and local variations in the supply vs. demand balance for puppy adoptions. Some communities have an excess of unplanned puppies being born, some have a balance between supply and demand for adoption of puppies at shelters, and some have an inadequate supply of puppies at shelters to supply the local demand. Some shelters are importing puppies from other regions to supply their local demand for puppy adoptions. This is a big change from years ago, when there was an excess of puppies for adoption. Leash laws, voluntary spay/neuter, and owner education have been a huge success.
Again, the lingering problem with dogs in shelters in America is the adult dogs being brought there by people who, for various reasons, decide to get rid of their dog. We live in a throwaway society, where some will discard a dog in a shelter as readily as they throw away a broken toaster. This problem cannot be addressed by spay/neuter laws, or with any new laws.
What AB 1634 will do is reduce the number of responsible dog breeders. They are the ones who license their dogs in their county, socialize their puppies, vaccinate their puppies, research their puppy buyers carefully, do health checks on their breeding stock, and carefully select mates for their breeding dogs. Many of these people will not be able to afford "intact permits". In many cases they won't be eligible for them at any price under AB 1634.
Because there will be fewer responsible breeders in California, the supply of well-bred puppies will decrease. Since the demand will still be there, puppies imported from Mexico or from other states for sale at pet shops and sold over the Internet will fill the supply gap. These puppies will for the most part be from large-scale commercial breeders... better known as "puppy mills". With an increase of poorly-bred pets who suffer many more health and temperament defects, the problems with dog bite statistics in California will increase. Even more dogs will get dumped in California shelters. And even more dogs will have to be put to sleep each year in California shelters. Just as we've seen where mandatory spay/neuter laws have been implemented elsewhere, AB 1634 can backfire, and make the shelter euthanasia problem it seeks to address worse.
If California's mandatory spay/neuter legislation passes it will decimate working dog breeding in the state. Tens of thousands of working dogs would be ineligible for an "intact permit" under the law, at any price. While the proposed legislation appears to have exemptions for a small subset of working dogs, in reality it does not, since a dog would have to be a working law enforcement dog, a working guide dog for the blind, a working signal dog for the deaf, or a working service dog for the disabled by 4 months of age in order to be eligible for an "intact permit". There is no such thing as 4 month old working dogs, so nearly all future working dogs would be required to be spay/neutered if this law passes before they grow up. The only exceptions are dogs registered with 3 registries: AKC, UKC, and ADBA... yet most working dog populations aren't registered with those registries. "
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http://saveourdogs.net/population.html
Education, low cost training, afforable vet care and Selective Breeding are necessary to help lower the number of animals in the shelter system. If we want this to get better, it's going to take time, money and alot of effort on our parts. Support your local kennel clubs and shelters by helping educate those who don't know about proper animal care. |  |  | |  |
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Kota- In Memory
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| | Barked: Wed Apr 11, '07 2:40pm PST | | | | | | On a Cavalier board I am on it was commented on BY A SHOW BREEDER that lives in CALIFORNIA, The law states that yoou have to get a special permit to show a dog (have it intact) but you cannot show dogs until 6 months of age and MOST breeders don't show them right at 6 months anyways, they wait until the dog has filled out a little. Plus with alot of dogs, you may not be able to see if they are pet/show quailty by 4 months. I think they can come up with a much better law then this to help with overpopulation of dogs. | | | | |
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J P
A DOG is for- LIFE. |
| | Barked: Wed Apr 11, '07 4:11pm PST | | | | | | This idea of this law bothers me a lot.
Before a law like this can have any effect, puppymills have to be gone, because they are bound to profit from the puppy demand created when this law makes it too difficult or illegal for small scale responsible breeders to continue.
This is because spay/neuter only addresses the issue of puppies, which tend to be in demand and leave shelters quickly. When people who want puppies can't find one, they do not go to a shelter and adopt an adult dog, they find one where they can, possibly a bulk breeder or mill.
Decreasing puppies does not mean people will adopt from shelters - these irresponsible people will still find a puppy somewhere and still throw it away later.
Owner relinquished dogs over one year of age are the hugest part of the overpopulation problem. These come about because of our throwaway society and uneducated pet owners. Education about dog ownership is key, and that doesn't come from puppymills but from the small responsible law abiding breeder.
This law is going to increase the number of dogs in bulk breeding operations, unsocialized, living in cages or at best small pens, birthing puppies every six months until they die. It will ultimately cause more suffering. Edited by author Wed Apr 11, '07 4:13pm PST
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Len
MY Dogs=MY- Property=MY- Choice |
 | | Barked: Wed Apr 11, '07 10:18pm PST | | | | | | Kaylee Grace, I agree with you 100%.
Responsible dog owners and breeders need to take action and voice their opposition!
How much control of your property are you willing to give to the government?
This will not fix the problem...those causing the problem (which by the way ARE NOT the responsible breeders) will keep doing what they've been doing.
Education is the answer. Not legislation. | | | | |
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Kaylee Grace
Mommies lap is- mine!!! |
| | Barked: Thu Apr 12, '07 10:15am PST | | | | | | My Mommy is working with our county SPCA and is starting a program in ourr small town that will educate children on us doggies and responsible ownership. She is also trying to work with the city parks and recreation to hold free beginning training lessons. If we don't educate who will? | | | | |
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Kaylee Grace
Mommies lap is- mine!!! |
| | Barked: Fri Apr 13, '07 1:44pm PST | | | | | | 'I just want to say it didnt look good for Ca, Tuesday in Sacramento..
As always the people for AB 1634 got up to talk, then when it was time for the other side to say their part... They were out of time.. There were 115 for and 114 againest...
But the AB 1634 bill has been changed a bit..
They have removed all breed clubs.. Dogs must of won a title to aply for an intacted permit...
How many dogs do you know of that have won a title at 4 months ? In agility the youngest you can run a dog is 15 months...
Other dog clubs are already sending out their boycot letters,, to boycot all trials & dog shows in Ca.
Some of the largest dog shows in the nation are held here in Ca...
But the intact dogs will no longer be able to come to Ca,,
The fees for intact permits will be $500 & up a year.
You pay that even if you dont end up breeding..
Kern County wants it to pass... Kern County spay & neuter is back on the aginda here...
If you havent sent your letters, you need to send them now....
I got an email saying that the letters & faxes that were sent,,, Somehow were lost ?
" I have been emailing radio talk shows trying to get air play... Every week there is someone from PETA on the radio or TV, but they never show anyone from the other side...
In every email I send I put a link to the save our dogs web site.. SAVEOURDOGS.NET
The bill goes up for vote next week,,, The way it looks now... IT WILL PASS !!!'
This is horrible. Please flood your local t.v and radio stations, your local paper. We must stop this from happening. | | | | |
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Fuzzy- Huskies Dog- Team
'09 Jr. Yukon- Quest- Red Lantern! |
| | Barked: Fri Apr 13, '07 7:53pm PST | | | | | | How are they going to enforce it? Go to every single house in California and check each female for a scar and each male for testicles? Ask for everyone to send in a signed letter from their vet saying that the dog is altered? What if they pay off a vet to lie for them? | | | | |
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