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This is a forum to discuss legislation and legal matters pertaining to the rights and welfare of dogs. Please remember to counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice and responses.
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Len
MY Dogs=MY- Property=MY- Choice |
 | | Barked: Mon Mar 19, '07 10:44pm PST | |  | |  | | Permission to cross post is granted
A website has been put together to assist in the fight
against AB 1634 --
the all breed mandatory spay/neuter bill that was
recently introduced in
the California state legislature.
http://saveourdogs. net/
Please take a moment to read the information on the
website. If you are a
California resident, please contact your Assembly
Member & State Senator to
voice your opposition to this bill. It only takes a
minute to make the
telephone calls.
http://saveourdogs. net/contactyourr ep.html
This bill has a lot of powerful supporters, including
the California
Veterinary Medical Association, many shelter/rescue
groups, and the
multi-million dollar influence of PETA, HSUS, and
other radical AR
organizations. Media coverage to date has been
unbalanced, with those of us
opposed to mandatory spay/neuter being portrayed as
whiners.
Don't believe for a minute that this bill cannot pass.
It WILL pass if the
dog owners in California do not unite and fight it. It
has already passed
in some counties. Mandatory spay/neuter was recently
defeated in New
Mexico, through the hard work of dog owners there. Dog
owners have got to
keep fighting to stop mandatory spay/neuter, every
time it rears its ugly
head. If it passes in any state, it will gain momentum
and be that much
harder to stop.
Please do not be fooled into complacency by the
apparent exemptions in the
bill for AKC, UKC, and ADBA registered dogs, along
with a small subset of
working dogs. That is exactly what PETA & HSUS hope
you will do, to diffuse
opposition. Those exemptions will be gone within 10
years if this bill
passes. As long as their divide and conquer strategy
is working, PETA and
HSUS will not stop until there are no exceptions to
mandatory spay/neuter.
Thanks for your help!
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"One generation and out. We have no problem with the
extinction of domestic
animals. They are creations of human selective
breeding." Wayne Pacelle,
Senior VP of Humane Society of the US, Animal People
"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should
cut the domestic cat
free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and
more neutering, until
our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." John
Bryant, PETA
"As John Bryant has written in his book Fettered
Kingdoms, they [pets] are
like slaves, even if well-kept slaves." PETA's
Statement on Companion Animals.
"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and
concrete
jungles--from our firesides, from the leather nooses
and chains by which we
enslave it." John Bryant, PETA |  |  | |  |
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Kolbe
Where can I run- today? |
 | | Barked: Tue Mar 20, '07 6:32am PST | | | | | | Please explain how mandatory spay/neuter in CA would cause all domestic dogs and cats to become extinct. As far as I understand this law would not apply to show dogs. Plus remember there is a big world out there, outside of the US, filled with millions upon millions of dogs and cats - a large percentage of them homeless. Spaying and neutering doesn't cause extinction - it causes more control over the way out of control population. Maybe I'm missing something here. | | | | |
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Drake
Boing boing- boing Kitty- boing boing |
| | Barked: Tue Mar 20, '07 4:25pm PST | | | | | | Got to agree I think this is a good thing not a bad thing my county has a spay neuter law in effect and it dose help theres a huge overpopulation problem here our pound puts hundreds of cats and dogs to sleep a month its sad many go in and never make it out especially pits and pit mixes until we get the numbers under control theres no reason to breed | | | | |
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Lucky Dog
Don't mess with- my family! |
| | Barked: Sat Mar 24, '07 5:05pm PST | | | | | | Please look up statistics on the numbers of pets euthanized everyday in our country or your state alone.
Read up on the LONG list of health benefits that pets receive when spayed/neutered- especially early.
Read about behavioral issues that can be greatly helped or even eliminated by spay/neutering.
Go to some of the local kill shelters in your area and look into the eyes of the puppies and kittens who are about to be euthanized because an idiot allowed their parents to breed without any research into the difficulty of finding home for them.
Once you have done these things, then decide if you still think mandatory spay/neuters for everyone other than a small few responsible breeders is such an awful thing.
Did you know that a male dog can smell a female in heat A MILE AWAY??? Did you know that this drives the unneutered male absolutely insane, causing him to attempt to do anything possible to get to her? This is the cause of most "run away" dogs. Forgive me, but I do not have the exact statistics in front of me right now, but I BELIEVE that studies have shown that 85-90% of dogs that were hit by cars were intact males. Included in the 10-15% left are dogs that were maimed so badly by the vehicles or picked apart by scavengers to the point where their sex was unidentifiable. (You can look it up for the exact stats!)
http://www.petrescue.com/spay-neuter.htm | | | | |
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Naughty
where's the- bunny? |
| | Barked: Sun Apr 8, '07 2:59pm PST | | | | | | To all the responses to this post; I understand your sentiments, but unfortunately there are serious problems with AB 1634 you might have overlooked.
I. Spay/neuter by 4 months:
a. Not everyone is in agreement that spaying /neutering by 4 months is always the best thing for a dog. It does affect a dog/cat's development.
b. Many breeders wait until around this time or a little longer when deciding to keep a puppy/kitten for showing or getting them spayed or neutered and petted out. Good breeders have spay/neuter contracts when selling pets and very strict about it.
II. It really will make it very difficult for the best breeders: Some of the best dog and cats come from breeders who do so in their own homes. Here the puppies and kittens can properly socialized and handled. These hobby breeders don't do it for the money. They consider breaking even a success. So how does this law make it hard for the hobby breeder?
a. Permits: Reputable hobby breeders will have to pay additional fees while puppy mills and random breeders who ignore the law will continue to breed their dogs. And If these random breeders think they may found out and slapped with a fine they may release their dogs to the street, resulting in additional unwanted pregnancies. In addition there is no consistency to these permits as their cost and requirements can be set more strictly by individual jurisdictions if they so wish.
And how about dog shows? The AKC Eukanuba National Championship was held in California. Guess what happens if this bill passes and California requires all dog owners at the show to have permits? This will mean no dog/cat shows in California and lost revenue for the state, not to mention a bad rap.
Let's look at what is required under this proposal to get a permit:
1. You have to get a business license. These will vary by jurisdiction.
or the following three
2. The animal must have been in at least one show in the past two years- well that's going to be hard since cats can't be shown until they are at least 4 months old (and subject to spay/neuter under the provision). Nice catch 22. Oh and yeah, the owner will have to travel out of state because no one will want to hold a dog or cat show in California.
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The animal must be a registered breed in an approved registry held by the jurisdiction. So we will have different jurisdictions with different dog registries that may or may not have the same breeds recognized. So what if you have a dog registered by a foreign registry and you jurisdiction does not recognize it? You have to move or neuter/spay your cat/dog.
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The animal must be in the process of earning a title- there is no exemption for an animal that does not like to show but may be important in the breeding program. And what about a champion that has earned his o r her title and is now going to be used in a breeding program and retired from the show-ring. Nope, the dog/cat must be spayed/neutered unless they keep going to the show ring.
III. What about working dogs (cattle dogs, shutzhund dogs, protection dogs etc)?- nope no exemption for them.
Also, any jurisdiction is welcome to be more restrictive to the point of allowing no breeding and requiring spay/neuter of all dogs/cats with no exemptions. Guess what, this is going to stop the legitimate, respectable breeders. It's not going to stop the puppy millers and backyard breeders, and parents who want their kids to see the joy of childbirth and then dump the puppies when they realize how expensive and labor intensive raising puppies/kittens is.
I'm not opposed to careful, well though out legislation, but this proposed law is a complete mess and is not going to help things. I suggest always keeping at least a bit of a critical eye when it comes to pet legislation. There are people who really want to help decrease the number of animals (myself included) that end up in shelters and then there are those who think mankind should not own pets and dogs and cats should go extinct because they are slaves to mankind. You will often find the latter behind many of these efforts, attempting to take advantage of and hijack a good cause.
Here's a partial list of those opposing the law (notice it's not just breeders):
AKC
CFA (Cat Fanciers Association)
Alley Cat Allies
Sacramento Dog Council
United Shutzhund Clubs of America
NAIA Trust (National Animal Interest Alliance Trust)
some sources of information:
http://www.naiatrust.org/PDF/NAIA_Trust_%20CA_AB_163 4.pdf
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/canine_legislation/CA_action_cent er/LetterToGovSchwarzeneggerReBill1634.pdf | | | | |
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Poitash
My Friend |
| | Barked: Tue Apr 10, '07 1:52pm PST | | | | | | well, I see that some definate changes need to be made to the proposed bill, but I'll be honest, it's a sound concept if they didn't have to take everything to such extremes,
I think that this would work if they made exemptions for anyone who holds a breeders licence and let the licencing department pick out who shouldn't be breeding their dogs/cats.
But for your basic person with a pet, ya I think something like this is a step in the right direction. I know breeders have contracts for spay/neuter. I also know that in order to enforce this contract to someone not honoring the agreement they have to take it through court to get a judges order, which is not financially feasable to all people.
Pointing out that only the law abiding citizens will be affected by this is not a good point IMO. That is true for ANY law. It is illegal to kill someone but the criminal element still murder people. (I know, extreme example) but still true!! | | | | |
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♥- Francis CGC
Support Winograd- NO KILL not MSN |
| | Barked: Tue Apr 10, '07 2:28pm PST | | | | | | Go to these website to find out how this proposed legislation is flawed.
http://www.akc.org/canine_legislation/CA_action_center.cfm# contact
http://www.theanimalcouncil.com/
http://www.naiatrust.org/
http://www.saveourdogs.net/
http://action.alleycat.org/c.mmL3KgN3 LzH/b.806667/k.9ED9/Action_Center/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx? c=mmL3KgN3LzH&b=806667&aid=8393
http://www.cfa.org/exhibitors/CFA-B &Pletter-reCAAB1634.pdf
http://www.akc.org/canine_legislation/CA_ action_center.cfm#contact
Straight from AKC website today.
A Spay/Neuter Action Center
CA Spay/Neuter Bill Vote To Be April 24th
Today, the California Assembly Business and
Professions Committee discussed Assembly Bill 1634,
known as the California Health Pets Act. However, at
the request of its sponsor, Assemblyman Lloyd Levine,
the bill will be further considered at the committee's
April 24th meeting, during which a vote will be taken.
It is possible that AB 1634 will be further amended,
so please continue to monitor our website for updates.
The American Kennel Club would like to thank all who
attended the hearing today in Sacramento. AKC commends
all those who took the time to ensure that our message
of responsible dog ownership and responsible dog
breeding was heard in the state capitol.
Fanciers, breeders, concerned dog owners, and clubs
are encouraged to continue politely communicating with
their legislators about the unintended consequences of
AB 1634. | | | | |
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Sassy
What! Do you- have something- to say? |
| | Barked: Tue Apr 10, '07 3:39pm PST | | | | | | I don't believe that this law would prevent those from breeding that are really to blame for the pet overpopulation problem.
It will nothing to stop the amish puppy mills or puppy mills anywhere else.
It's hard enough for cities to enforce the liciense laws and I'm sure this law would be just as hard to enforce.
Those who are not responsible pet owners are not going to have their pets vaccinated or take them to the vet, much less follow the law about spaying and neutering. These are the people who are littering our shelters with mixed breed puppies and unwanted dogs. I don't believe this law would affect very many of these people.
Face it, most responsible pet owners do not have unplanned litters! They already spay/neuter their pets unless they are showing or breeding a particular dog. It is actually very easy to prevent a dog in heat from being bred. Some who have never had an unspayed female will try to tell you otherwise. All it requires is your full attention and a little common sense. I've had show dogs and never had a problem with males hanging around or with another dog getting to my female!
It seems that the people this law is going to affect are the responsible hobby breeders. These are the people that you should want to be breeding dogs!
Besides, no matter what studies on pigs show (they are eaten and do not live out their full lives as our pets do) many vets do NOT like to spay or neuter a dog or cat before 6 months of age!
If you really want to do something you might be better off going after puppy mills and offering free spay/neuter. | | | | |
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