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Licking, Gulping, Panting at Night -- Solved

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10/15/2012
 
 
Barked: Mon Oct 15, '12 11:49pm PST 
My 12 year old lab has been panting and licking for past year. I have brought him to vet several times with no findings except "well he is getting older". I was thinking CHF but vet didn't think so, I'm not so sure...wish I could find answer.
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Koorazh

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Barked: Thu Nov 22, '12 5:09pm PST 
Here's our latest update. After a month of zeniquin (marbofloxacin)his symptoms subsided -- no more spasms, no more heavy panting at night, no more shallow breathing with hard exhale at night. He has more energy and now is in the front in walks (instead of dragging behind). His nose is drier than it used to be. I'm not sure if the diagnosis was right or whether the two are connected. Licking, pacing, and gulping also went down, although they come back episodically if he changes food or eats grass. We remain on a half/half diet of home cooked breakfast (turkey or beef, low fat cottage cheese, and broccoli or peas) and Natural Balance LID fish and sweet potato and that seems to work fine for his stomach. Don't know why he is better -- just thankful that he is.
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Charlie Pete

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Barked: Thu Nov 22, '12 6:02pm PST 
I'm no expert in dog health but that really does sound reflux related to me, even if the meds didnt work. Do you feed him at night? Perhaps move it earlier to the afternoon and not before he goes to bed? I once knew a dog with lots of reflux issues that wound up being fed standing up to facilite oesophageal clearance, then after each meal sent to a crate for quiet time. He did very well. I hope you find some resolution.
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Ikan

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Barked: Fri Nov 23, '12 4:13pm PST 
Interesting what all you had to go through, I am glad you found something to work. This is something to keep an eye out for.
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joey

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Barked: Tue Nov 27, '12 5:53pm PST 
Really glad to hear he is doing well now. I have never heard of Zeniquin, but will look it up. What was the diagnosis? I'm still confused.
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Maxwell

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Barked: Wed Nov 28, '12 9:00am PST 
That medicine is an antibiotic. If an antibiotic helped and in humans a certain bacterium causes a lot of ulcers I am wondering if he had a bacteria created ulcer somewhere in the upper GIT? I don't suppose you could know for sure unless the stomach and esophagus are scoped though and I don't know if dogs get that kind of bacteria in the first place.
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12/19/2012
 
 
Barked: Wed Dec 19, '12 7:13am PST 
My 9-year-old Doberman mix has exhibited mild allergies for years, such as licking paws and scratching around the face and ears. Recently, though, the scratching has intensified, apparently the cause of scabs on the nose and around the eyes and ears. Often, immediately after eating, he sneezes once or twice, and rubs his head/ears against furniture in a scratching gesture. Worse yet, recently the gulping / anxiety / grass eating (“GAG”) symptoms have kicked in – and as with Koorazh’s guardian – in the wee hours. Since food allergies can manifest immediately after eating as well as hours later, and itching / scratching accompanies it, I’m 99.9 percent certain allergy is the problem we are dealing with. (Itching is not a GI or bacterial-infection symptom, for example.)

@ Koorazh’s guardian: Your dog’s symptoms very closely match those of my dog’s, with the only-at-night enigma. The only difference is that my dog additionally hacks, sneezes and scratches, and has scabs on his face. But that further convinces me that the “GAG” / itching relates to food allergy – not infection or other condition. And you say relief came -- though not completely -- with a home diet mixed with Natural Balance LID. You may have done a strict elimination diet, but did not specifically say so. If not, I’m wondering if the LID or one of the elements of the home diet contain an irritant that rears its head occasionally, as you indicate. Maybe it is advised to start with, say, rice and cottage cheese for a week . . . then add only one ingredient every couple days to watch for any symptoms that would flag that ingredient. I am dong that now, but still have uncertainty. For example, I started with rice and chicken. He violently reacted that night. So I went to rice and cottage cheese. Same problem. But I’m told that it takes about 5 days to cleanse the system of the previous irritant. So it is necessary to not move to multiple / varied elements until at least one safe ingredient is established for 5 days.

Also, for any others having this problem, I have found that – when my dog awakens me at night with an “episode”—10-30 minutes after administering 2 Benadryl (he is 50 pounds) and a Pepsid AC (20 mg) symptoms resolve. That said, I do not know how long he would suffer had I not given him the meds. Can’t stand to withhold them just to learn the answer.

Sorry for the wordiness here. Just hoping that others with this problem can compare notes, as has Koorazh’s guardian, to share what works and doesn't work. It certainly doesn’t seem to be a thing that veterinarians have a handle on
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12/19/2012
 
 
Barked: Thu Mar 28, '13 8:04am PST 
Here is an update to my December 2012 rambling above. After extensive research, I am convinced of three things: 1) the underlying problem, 2) how to resolve it, 3) how following advice of others to avoid a visit to the vet with these particular symptoms saved me lots of money and spared my pet lots of suffering. (Vets usually go with antibiotics and/or steroids for itching, gulping, etc.) It turns out that symptoms diagnosed as allergies are often borne of systemic yeast infections . . . Antibiotics and steroids suppress immune function and encourage yeast – so they make it worse!) Yeast infections can progress to what is called leaky gut syndrome where incompletely digested enzymes enter through the gut into the bloodstream. That, in turn, causes an autoimmune response -- allergy symptoms, gulping, even seizures. (Allergy tests can be completely skewed by leaky gut syndrome). So the object is to eliminate the yeast overgrowth and return balance to the system – a difficult and slow process. Begin with an elimination diet to eliminate possible allergens as well. (Yeast feeds on potato and starchy carbs.) I started with Evo brand 95% venison (Nothing else for 20 weeks, fed 4 times daily), along with Nzymes brand Bac-Pak at each meal, Oxi-Drops supplements at 2 meals per day (double doses of both for 20 weeks) plus Nzymes brand Antioxidant Treats intermittently during the day. As my research warned, progress has been a bit of a roller coaster, and very slow. I was told it could take a year or so. But I have kept a journal of feedings, gulping episodes, etc., and after 4 months there is marked and increasingly steady pattern of improvement. Gulping is rare (versus nightly) and open oozing sores around nose and eyes are almost gone. I will slowly reintroduce certain foods as he improves – but I am convinced that grains will always be a no-no. Hope this helps others.
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Kali

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Barked: Thu Mar 28, '13 5:54pm PST 
I'm sorry you haven't been able to solve the problem. To me it sounds food related, even though he was good for a while. I don't remember all your posts, so I'm sorry if I make you repeat anything. How many times have you switched food and what did you switch to? Does it happen any other time he eats other than at night? The reason I ask is, because Kali had intestinal issues all her life. Then back in April 2012, I switched all her meals to mostly home cooked. I couldn't believe the difference. She's been healthy for a year now. Keeping our paws crossed. So, maybe you just haven't found the right combination of food. Kali's issue is still undiagnosed. But we know somehow it's related to food. Unfortunately, when it's related to food, at least in our case, it takes years to figure out. Food allergies or allergies to an ingredient in the food can give several different kinds of symptoms. In Kali's case, she would be good for months and then get really sick again. It didn't make any sense. So, at first, we didn't think it was the food. We switched her to Z/D Hills Prescription dog food and home cooked. I was at my wits end and considering putting her to sleep, because she was literally starving to death. We tried just about every food on the market and she would be good for a while then get sick again. So, maybe you just haven't found the right combination yet?
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