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All my dogs have high urine Ph. Any suggestions?

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Libby

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Barked: Fri Jul 15, '11 3:25pm PST 
I have 4 dogs, all different breeds. All 4 of them have a high urinary Ph (8.5). I have changed foods, used solely bottled water and 2 of them are already on Ammonil to help lower it and Mr. Pibbs was placed on it today. Nothing seems to help!
Does anyone else have this problem? How did you solve it? Libby and now Mr. Pibbs have evidence of struvite crystals, too.
The only common denomenator I have is the soil. We live in a wooded area so I just have run out of thoughts.
Thanks
PS-If you have any other thoughts of WHAT might cause it (no matter how weird it may sound!), please feel free to share!shrug
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Maxwell

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Barked: Fri Jul 15, '11 9:51pm PST 
It can be caused by UTI. Some people with dogs prone to them will check the urine's pH and get to the vet if it rises as a matter of course.

The meatier the diet the better according to some. Grains and veggies are supposed to promote alkaline urine according to those people. It is probably more complicated than that though.

Keep them really well hydrated, that will help keep crystals from forming. And make sure they have many opportunities to urinate during the day as well.

How worrying!
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(retired)min- ister misty

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Barked: Sat Jul 16, '11 1:38am PST 
The urine pH level in a dog varies from day to day.
The job of the kidneys is to adjust and maintain electrolytes and acid-base balances based on the dog's diet and exercise.
A urine pH that is high or low by itself does not necessarily mean there is a problem, but if the off-base pH is combined with another symptom, you should have your dog checked for various problems, such as urinary tract infections, stones and crystalluria.

Urine pH Lower than 7.0

Urine that is 7.0 is neutral.
Anything lower indicates acidic urine.
A healthy dog that is fed a main meal once a day (versus two to three times per day) usually has an acidic urine pH.
The urine pH should not be much lower than 6.2.
If the urine gets lower than 6.2, keep an eye on the dog, but if it drops below 6.0 a vet visit is in order, as there may be a systemic problem.

Urine pH Higher Than 7.0

Anything above the 7.0 neutral pH indicates alkaline urine.
If a dog is fed a diet high in carbohydrates (many grains), it may have an alkaline pH.
Some medications may also cause the urine pH to become alkaline.
If a dog has consistent alkaline urine, it may have a urinary tract infection.
Some types of bacteria that cause urinary tract infections and kidney infections also produce an enzyme that turns the urine alkaline.

Kidney Stones

A dog with consistent alkaline urine may also present with kidney stones.
Kidney stones are otherwise known as crystals.
Kidney stones may be caused by overuse of sulphonamide antibiotics.
The kidneys may also have the inability to reabsorb bicarbonate, which also causes alkaline urine.

Diagnosis

The diagnosis of kidney stones (crystals) is generally done by checking the pH level of the dog's urine.
X-rays may be needed to see if kidney stones are present, and are generally done if the urine pH is wrong.
There are no other outward symptoms of kidney stones, other than alkaline pH.

Treatment

Treatment of kidney stones involve the treatment of the underlying cause.
If kidney stones are caused by alkaline urine, risk factors are eliminated and urine volume is increased.
This is done by diet modification and, sometimes, drug therapy. Additional modification of pH levels may also be needed.

From: http://www.acreaturecomfort.com/canineurineanalysis.htm

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Libby

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Barked: Sat Jul 16, '11 7:14am PST 
I very much appreciate both responses. I routinely have the dogs checked for UTI's just as a course of measure.
Would either of you have any other ideas as to why all 4 would have this issue? I keep urine "dipsticks" at home and will double check Angels today. She is on a completely different food now from the others so I'll see how her's compares.
Libby and Timmy eat the same food (Nature's Recipe Adult), Mr. Pibbs eats Nature's Recipe puppy and Angel is on Wellness small breed. They each get a little canned (Nature's Recipe Venison and Rice) just as a treat. Again, I took them off of Science diet about 7 months ago, so we'll see what happens!
Thanks for your input.
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Tanuk CGC

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Barked: Sun Jul 17, '11 6:01am PST 
I would perhaps try a grain free food for all of them instead. Also, you need to be giving them distilled water, not just bottled water. If it's just bottled stream water it's not all that different from tap water.

However, it's still concerning considering all four unrelated dogs are having this issue. thinking My cats are both prone to urinary issues, and I give them a Cranimals supplement that has really worked well. Might want to look into that too.
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Libby

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Barked: Sun Jul 17, '11 10:26am PST 
Thank you Sherpa for your input.
I purchased "Blue" yesterday and am going to start the integration of it today. Hopefully Timmy doesn't have any seizures from the change!
I have been told using distilled water will pull nutrients from the body. Have you ever read anything or can you recommend anything that would support/dispute that?
At this point I'll try anything! The thought of losing another dog to renal failure really, really scares me.cry
Again, thank you for your suggestions!
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Zoey, Shellie & Griffin

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Barked: Sun Jul 17, '11 10:41am PST 
Shellie used to have issues with a high pH, at first I switched her to a grain free diet with canned food added, then to Raw, I also give her Cranberry Capsules every day as well as Probiotics and Bragg's ACV, that has done the trick for her. Zoey my chi also had issues, hers were solved with switching to raw diet, which is more moisture in the diet.

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Adam

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Barked: Sun Jul 17, '11 10:42am PST 
My guess since they all have the problem is they aren't drinking enough, I would try soaking the kibble in plenty of water and using filtered drinking water (bottled might have BPA?) if you can for them so the kidneys don't have to filter that much more. What is the brand of bottled water you used?

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Libby

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Barked: Sun Jul 17, '11 10:55am PST 
Thank you both for your responses. I think I may try the cranberry capsules if the vet okay's it (he's great about using all avenues!).
As far as the brand of bottled, I think I used Deer Creek and AquaFina. We have well water (underground river is the source) that is filtered through the fridge and thought maybe there was something in it. Heck, our tap is most likely better than any of the bottled waters out there.thinking
I like all of the suggestions but again does anyone else have a thought of what might cause it? They all have free access to water all day. This is kept in a glass bowl (I even removed all plastic bowls and use coated ceramic).
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Adam

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Barked: Sun Jul 17, '11 11:06am PST 
Oh I usually think well water is the best. The reason I asked about brand of water was when I was in the UK there was a company of bottled water that got in trouble for being just tap water!! (Name might have been Great Spring but I'm not sure. It was Great something). BPA is in Aquafina bottles, I'm not sure about the other brand you use. Just in case adding water to the kibbies can only help both prevention and during kidney problems. Hm,.your rainbow bridge dog you lost to renal disease, was he old?
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