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Izabel Parks
Fight BSL |
 | | Barked: Sun Apr 1, '07 7:55pm PST | |  | |  | | I did not have time to read every post all though it caught my eye and I wanted to second the motion, if you are not going to breed a female and there is no medical reason not to it is a good idea to spay. Females that are never bred and kept in tact run a huge risk for pyometra and breast and uterine cancers. |  |  | |  |
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Nikki aka- 'Eyes to the- Soul'
hey Irie, wasn't- that MY toy?? |
| | Barked: Mon Jul 2, '07 7:45am PST | | | | | | Meridian....bless you for the time and effort you put into your post.
I have a newly acquired female rescue (Nikki) intact that just went into her first heat and an intact male (IrieBlaize) that is not of the quality desired to mate with her being that she is a champion show dog (her breeder reclaimed her and sold her to me and he is someone I know and trust, luckily our contract allows me to decide when to breed and gives me the option of spaying or not). If I do breed her I'm to wait until her 2nd heat, he will give me a few quality lined males to chose from (I'm not to breed her with any male he hasn't evaluated) and it's my responsiblity from there on.
I have never had an intact female and have been looking for information. It just so happens that her heat started today.
Even though she is not bleeding yet her vaginal entry area
swelled up and I have kept the 2 dogs separate from then on.
I had no idea how one could tell she was in heat except the
breeder telling me it begins with the swelling. Sure enough she swole (is that a word? hehehe) and Irie started the constand mating sniff and follow.
I thank you tons for the links and the info and for everyone else for the reply information.
Even being an intelligent and responsible dog owner, I was
completely ignorant re: females in heat.
When I asked members of our group with female boxers
they had little info.
I want to add your links to our message board (at meetup.com Boxer Lovers! Orlando Area) but have no idea how....can you help me? I'd also like to have your permission to link to this discussion on our group's page....no idea if this is even possible nor how....can you help me even if only to tell me it's not possible. If I can't link it I'd like to cut and paste your thread.....ok with you?
Please contact me at irieblaize@hotmail.com.
Thanks bunches!
Sandy....Nikki's human mama
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Dollybaby
Warning!! Dolly- at work!! |
| | Barked: Mon Jul 2, '07 8:49am PST | | | | | | Hey not sure if you all mentioned or not.I didn't read every post.
But you need to remember not all females bleed excesively like a human might. If you look for blood you may miss that your dog is in heat and utoh!
They swell back their some but rarly bleed noticably. Some do anyway others bleed like a fountain.
They get PMS'y and moody. Cramps act almost like you if you are female? when you go into heat. Watch for the very first sign of it not blood!
Some breeds only come in heat in season my half wolf only come in heat once a year in spring,some others do to.
Check your breed out thouroughly. This will come in handy if you plan on waiting till first heat to spay and you think something wrong causes she is 6 months old and ain't did it yet.
Oh And Never EVER asume that size matters!!!! A chi can mount a wolf !!! Thats how my Shepard wolf dog i got now, got chi in him. It took him 2 years of pratice but he finnally got it right!!!
Never think you can turn your back one second if you have two sexes in the house and one MAY be in heat!!! They can even do it in a sitting position!!! | | | | |
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Meridian
Proud to be a- kitchen wolf!!! |
 | | Barked: Tue Jul 3, '07 4:07pm PST | | | | | | Hey Nikki! Thanks for the p-mail to let me know this thread was still active! I've been referring to it in other posts, but haven't noticed new activity.
It's totally fine with me if any info I've written is cross-posted. I think the best way to share info from this thread would be to create a hyper-link using the thread's URL, which is http://www.dogster.com/forums/Dog_Health/thread/386703/1/.
Someth ing jumped out at me in your post, Nikki, which I wanted to address. Unfortunately it doesn't seem entirely uncommon for people to find themselves in this type of situation, which IMO is not ethical or responsible on the part of the breeder. I hope this isn't taking the post too OT -- I wanted so badly to keep this objective. Since breeding does go hand-in-hand with a dog's status as fertile, I think the following does fit here.
...luckily our contract allows me to decide when to breed and gives me the option of spaying or not).
Any breeder who lets one of their dogs (pups) go into a new home without a spay-neuter contract at the LEAST is not addressing one of their responsibilities as a breeder, which is to look after the health and wellbeing of the dogs they breed. Any breeder who consciously places an in-tact dog into the care of someone who is not a breeder is also IMO committing an act of irresponsibility. Anyone who places an in-tact dog with someone who is not in the position to breed responsibly with a contract stating that the dog CANNOT be fixed and must have pups is a completely unethical individual who is most likely trying to turn some sort of profit off puppies at the expense of proper care and health for the brood dogs.
If I do breed her I'm to wait until her 2nd heat, he will give me a few quality lined males to chose from (I'm not to breed her with any male he hasn't evaluated)
If you do breed her, between now and then you have a whole lot of work to do! A year isn't nearly enough to attain the knowledge and experience you need before having a litter on your own, and if you don't have serious plans to work towards being a dog breeder yourself, you're especially not doing anyone a favor by breeding Nikki. You have to evaluate WHY you want to breed her, and what makes her so special that she needs to have pups. There are health checks and show and/or working titles to achieve.
and it's my responsiblity from there on...
I would be VERY WARY of this arrangement, or any arrangement where someone arranges for you to have an unfixed dog, help you breed it, then doesn't want to have any more contact, or worse get's "pick of the litter" for their "service". There are SO many hazards that accompany breeding, and if you're doing it responsibly it's a huge money, time, and energy drain. What makes up for that is knowing that you have produced a litter of pups that had it's start in life at the best health and temperament advantage due to your diligence and careful planning when breeding them. You will have the satisfaction of seeing them placed in the homes that were chosen even before the litter was conceived, and what they can both give and gain throughout their lives. You can reconcile the fact that there are still dogs in shelters being unnecessarily neglected and euthanized because you are contributing to a different demographic -- dogs specifically bred in the interest of health and purpose.
It would most likely be in your best interest and Nikki's if you saw her safely through this heat, then got her spayed when the time is right. (Any special reason why your male is in-tact still?) Please keep her well away from your male during this time and try to educate yourself about what to expect during this time and how to safely deal with it. Best of luck!
There have been a couple other great posts that go well with this one. One was put together by a fantastic "dog" named Kennit called So You're Going To Have Puppies...... It's the post that inspired me to start this one. There's also one that contains some discussion about when it's appropriate to spay after a heat called First Time In Heat, Mom's Scared!. | | | | |
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Nikki aka- 'Eyes to the- Soul'
hey Irie, wasn't- that MY toy?? |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 4, '07 5:56am PST | | | | | | Meridian....hi again!
I truly respect your response regarding responsible breeding.
Reading my post I also would have felt it necessary to post information such as you did.
I have 2 sisters that breed dogs and the breeder for Nikki is a close friend. I've heard it all from all of them and done alot of research myself.
Nikki has a superb lineage and her pups (even though she won't be breed until she is 2 or older) already have potential owners.
She will be breed with a health certified, show quality, champion lineage, temperment evaluated stud only.
Personally I don't think it wrong to breed Nikki or Irie and NOT be a breeder per sae. As long as they are health tested and certified free of cardiomyopathy and hip dysplasia.
Irie is not my dog, he is my daughters and she is also informed.
I would NEVER take on breeding unless I could take off work to attend/assist with birth and welp puppies.
Since the post wasn't about breeding, I didn't go into much detail.
Thank you though for your concern and educational post. | | | | |
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Rocco
Don't let things- bother you! |
| | Barked: Wed Jul 4, '07 7:03am PST | | | | | | Great post Meridian! 
Nikki I have some questions too to help clear things up. How did she obtain your championship title if her ears don't stand? I'm glad Meridian brought it up too about you possibly breeding her. Will she have all her health tests done? You say you won't breed her until her 2nd heat but how old will she be by then? And can you clear me up on this statement you made "Personally I don't think it wrong to breed Nikki or Irie and NOT be a breeder per sae." How can a person breed a dog without being a breeder? Also, if you say Irie is not breeding quality and your daughter is informed why does she chose to not fix him? Glad to hear that if you do breed her the stud will be of quality. Just curious will the pet puppies have spay/neuter contracts? Oh, I have a couple of questions about the meetup group you have. When I looked at the florida page there seems to be a ton of people looking for let's say partners. Do a lot of them meet to breed? Is there any info for them to read on breeding if they don't go to the message boards? Glad you are spreading the word! | | | | |
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Rocco
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