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Questions - Sport Dogs

If you are wondering what is the right dog for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about tail wagging and learning.

  
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Jewel, PCD

8.6lbs of fury- in a bow!
 
 
Barked: Thu May 17, '12 8:28am PST 
Forgive me but for some reason I have it in my head that Charlie is in Canada. If I'm right then getting a rescue to compete with is more complicated than in the USA. The CKC only has the PEN program for mixed dogs in which the owner needs to submit photos signed by a vet stating a SINGLE breed that are then submitted to the CKC. I did this because there are almost NO events in my area that are not CKC. It was a long wait while waiting to see if they approved Jewel as a Toy Poodle. This is something to think about if you decide to rescue.

We are currently waiting for my friend's rescue puppy to grow some more to see what breed we think we have the best change of passing her off as to apply for the PEN.
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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

My Little Dog, a- heartbeat at my- feet.<3
 
 
Barked: Thu May 17, '12 4:27pm PST 
Jewel - Charlie is in Canada, yes. Alberta, actually. And I was truly unaware of that! Gosh, that just makes it a little more... well, y'know. Either breed-specific rescue or purebred. Ugh.. That just makes things SLIGHTLY more difficult, eh?

Java - thanks for the input! Perhaps I'll stay away from the Doberman then, as I'll always own two or more dogs and if SSA is that common, I'll just avoid them altogether and admire from afar..
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Zephyr

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Barked: Thu May 17, '12 4:49pm PST 
The PEN program is nearly identical to the UKC's version of the ILP in the US and really they're not all that strict. You need the vet signature on the photos with a date but honestly most vets only list one breed in their computer systems anyway so they'll go with that. It's not all that difficult or dramatic it just takes some time.

I know more than a few dogs with PENs and ILPs who are maybe only half (or less with some creative grooming) but who are passable from a distance as said breed. The sticking point is breed specialties with obvious mixes (breed people can understandably be very upset by that) but if you're not planning on attending those then you're fine. There are also other organizations which have competitions particularly agility.
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Bosley

Will Work For- Food
 
 
Barked: Thu May 17, '12 6:05pm PST 
Charlie, I didn't realize you were in Alberta - so am I. Alberta actually has many organizations that All-Canadian (mixed) breeds can play in. For agility there is AAC (which is the biggest agility organization, here there is little CKC agility) and NADAC. For rally there is CARO and APDT. There is also a bit of UKC obedience starting up in different places.
If you have a rescue you will need a PEN if you want to do any CKC stuff but it's very easy to get as long as your dog looks passingly enough like a specific breed.
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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

My Little Dog, a- heartbeat at my- feet.<3
 
 
Barked: Thu May 17, '12 9:38pm PST 
Zephyr and Bosley - Thanks for the heads up! I've never done agility as anything more than for fun so I've never known about any of the registration stuff or regards to mutts, etc.

Bosley - Didn't you suggest a Berner earlier in the thread? bahaha.. I used to live with one named Lola. What a little clown she was! And the sweetest little(big) puppy ever! SOOOO smart! I can see some agility pictures on Bosley's page - how are Berner's at agility and in Alberta summer heat? Haha, I'd own a Berner in a heartbeat after getting to know the breed a little more personally.
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Jewel, PCD

8.6lbs of fury- in a bow!
 
 
Barked: Fri May 18, '12 7:40am PST 
Sounds like Alberta is better for events than Saskatchewan!

My vet didn't know what a PEN was and wanted to write "poodle mix" on the pictures. I had do some yelling to make him just write "poodle" on them. He felt he was lieing to the CKC and told me that if they phoned he'd tell them the truth! The PEN system is totally based on a lie anyways so I told him that was fine.

I wasn't saying don't rescue, I was more like saying look at the program and have it in mind while looking at dogs. But it sounds like you're in a better area for rescue dogs to compete anyways so YAY!!! cheer
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Bosley

Will Work For- Food
 
 
Barked: Sat May 19, '12 9:38am PST 
Hi Charlie,
Yes I did suggest a Bernese earlier in the thread, but mostly jokingly, as most people do not consider Bernese when they think of a performance dog. However, because of the general nature of a Berner (they usually like to work and they really want to please their owner) they can be good performance dogs. That is if you want to compete for fun and to not take first place every time laugh out loud

There are some amazing agility Berners out there. I think that people do not give Bernese enough credit when it comes to athletic ability. Traditionally Bernese were all purpose farm dogs and this meant that they needed to be agile as well as strong. Some of today's breeders do not breed with this in mind however, and there are huge boned Berners who have lost much of that agility. But for the most part, Bernese are still athletic and they are faster than you think they might be (if they are kept lean and well conditioned, that is). As for my own Berners, Maggie was quite fast, but her physical structure really limited her abilities and I had to retire her quite early because of recurring injuires. Bosley does fairly well in agility, but considering that he is 100 pounds, he will never be the fastest dog, but he tries hard and has fun. He moved through the levels fairly quickly, considering we trial very little. He also always has a group of admirers because it is so rare that you see a Berner doing agility around here. Right now, he is the only Berner in Alberta that is competing seriously in AAC and CKC agility.

Bernese are also known to do well in obedience, tracking and of course carting. Some lines also excel in herding since their is herding/droving in their Swiss background.

Bernese do not deal with the Alberta summers very well. Their thick black coats make them overheat very easily. In the summer we limit exercise to early mornings and evenings and only take in a few of our favorite trials.

If you are ever serious about getting a Bernese, let me know. I am very active in the breed club and breed rescue and can help direct you to a responsible breeder with stronger working type dogs. There has been a huge influx of really irresponsible breeders around here in the past few years but since they advertise so much, they are the only ones people seem to know about. I am sad that Bosley's breeder decided to retire - but after breeding Berners for 25 years she had decided she wants to travel more and didn't feel like she had the time to commit to raising puppies.
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