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Questions - Sport Dogs

If you are wondering what is the right dog for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about tail wagging and learning.

  
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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

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Barked: Thu May 10, '12 11:47pm PST 
I'm still fairly set on eventually having my GSD.

But I've always had a fond love of Cardigan Welsh Corgi's - that said, realize they MAY not be what my admirations would love to believe, bol.

I've always wanted a dog with the potential for agility AND obedience. With Charlie's epilepsy growing worse with time and him soon needing to be medicated, I'm not sure we'll even try agility for fun, let alone for competitions - the Beagle's ability for focus along with the likelihood of such stress situations causing him seizures freaks me out a little for that.

I've always wanted a dog that could do Obedience and Agility - a dog with handler focus, with drive, a bit of a velcro-dog, something with plenty of energy, something that would keep me on my toes. Grooming has never mattered to me, I have experience with all coat types(used to work in a groomshop, lol).

Three breeds I've admired from afar thus far as candidates have been Australian Shepherd, Cardiqan(although I have heard they can have back problems so agility may not be a good idea?), and Doberman.

But I'd love actual opinions. I've never really wanted anything smaller than 25lbs(Charlie's size) either.

Any suggestions would be awesome. Just kind of.. tossing ideas around. This wouldn't be for several years of course. smile

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Lucille

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Barked: Fri May 11, '12 6:29am PST 
If you want to compete seriously in agility then how about a border collie? You obviously like herding breeds...They tend to be the top agility dogs for good reason.

Another great dog to consider for both OB and agility are poodles, especially since you have experience with all coat types and it sounds like grooming doesn't put you off. They are great for outdoor sports, too. Very handler focused, some can be a bit velcro=they love to be with their people as much as possible, and also super intelligent. Training them I find to be an absolute blast. They come in such a range of sizes and coats, too. They are a lot more rough and tumble than people think; guys for some reason seem to think they're 'girly dogs' but they're fantastic hunters. I work with a group that has several standards hunting/retrieving regularly. The dogs love it and they're very reliable in the field offleash at all times.
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Bruno CGC

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Barked: Fri May 11, '12 10:23am PST 
Cardigans can certainly do agility. As an achondroplastic (short-legged) breed you just have to be more careful about the jumps and contact equipment- don't want the dog to come flying off the A-frame, for example, so training the contacts correctly from the beginning is a big deal. But overall they are a pretty sound, healthy breed.

My agility instructor runs Pembroke Welsh Corgis and Swedish Vallhunds, both shorties. smile I actually recommend looking into the Vallhund if you like short-legged, wickedly fast and smart dogs. smile They are closer to proportional (not so long in the back, slightly longer legs) than Corgis or Dachhunds too, so less back stress.

Otherwise, probably any athletic, drivey, medium-sized dog can be super in agility. I looked through the competitor list of the World Agility Open Championship, and while the majority of the dogs are Border Collies, there were a notable number of other breeds, mostly from the Herding and Sporting groups. In other words, fast, agile, driven, handler-focused breeds.
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Barked: Fri May 11, '12 10:54am PST 
I have cardigans, and I participate in agility. Almost everyone who has the breed does something with them, whether it's agility, obedience, herding, etc.

Cardigans can be high drive dogs are alot of fun to run, IMHO. My dog is very fast and very accurate.

DM and IVDD aren't really all that common in Cardigans. Pembrokes have a much bigger problem with both then we do, because we don't have the back yard breeders that everyone else seems to have. I won't say that they don't exist, but they can be avoided if the breeders test.

With DM, there's an actual genetic test and with IVDD, you can get a spinal x ray and look for calcifications. You should also be concered with auto immune diseases, though, like mega-E, addison's, hemolytic anemia, and some thyroid issues. Not that these are common, but it's worth knowing about.

What I am concerned with mostly is temperament, and making sure that you actually WANT a cardigan and will be a good owner for one.

They are more independent then pembrokes and are not typically "cuddle bugs" or velcro dogs, but I hate needy dogs and prefer dogs that can just lay down in the same room with out needing to be up in your face or in your lap.

This is not to say they don't need love and affection, but the best way to bond with them is to do something with them.

Cardigans are aloof with strangers typically, not all of them are this way, but most are. Many are also reactive with strange animals, although fine with animals they are raised with. They can be good with cats if raised with them.

they can be very barky. They're not always great with kids, because they want to herd them everywhere. They shed like no body's business...especially the blue merles for some reason.

This breed needs extensive socialization when young.

And you do have to be very careful about picking them up as puppies, and some breeders won't let you have them on stairs until a certain age.

they *can* be adaptable, but they do need an outlet for their drive. They're definitely not a dog you can just throw in a crate except for days when you do agility and expect them to be good dogs.

Make sure you do alot of research on the breed. Make sure your breeder has an excellent reputation. Go visit them. Go visit the parents if you can.



Otherwise, I really love my dogs.

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"Selli"

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Barked: Fri May 11, '12 12:54pm PST 
Aussies are great agility dogs, not so common in competitive obedience though. Shelties do really well in both agility and obedience. They are very velcro dogs and very handler focused (more so than an Aussie). They are not drivey as a Border Collie, maybe why they do better in obedience.

They do bark ALOT! Can't be helped. But get one bred for temperament and you get a great dog AND breeders going for show dogs breed right to the top of the breed standard but the dogs frequently go over allowed height and can become fantastic performance dogs.
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Mulder

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Barked: Fri May 11, '12 5:08pm PST 
You know, the last agility trial I went to (observer), there were almost as many Goldens in the ring as BCs.

Interesting notion. Goldens certainly aren't a stranger to the OB ring either... actually, I've got a friend with two Goldens (one bench bred, the other field) that hunts, does OB and agility with her dogs.

Just throwing it out there.

I think several of the sporting breeds would fit nicely. GSPs, Cockers, Labs, Setters. Mmmmm, Gordon Setters... now THAT'S a dog!
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"Selli"

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Barked: Fri May 11, '12 5:20pm PST 
In the US, Goldens are THE obedience dog. This past year they took, I think 7 of the top 10 spots in the AKC National Obedience Invitational. They do very well in agility also although they typically are not nearly as fast as a Border Collie. But it sounds like the OP is into herding dogs and may not be into the Golden attitude.
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DUBLINS- SECRET

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Barked: Fri May 11, '12 6:42pm PST 
^^

The BEARDED COLLIE fits nicely for your criteria.... ANYTHING an Aussie or Border collie can do a BEARDIE can do just as well if not better. Think outside the box... this breed has fantastic skills (very few here have a clue). A well trained BEARDIE will absolutely BLOW YOUR HAIR BACK in agility... obedience.... herding... dock jumping (you have to see it to believe it)... and they also can make a top- notch incognto protection dog .

THESE ARE GREAT DOGS THAT WON'T AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL GET ANY PROPS ON HERE BY DOGSTER WISEGUYS.... GIVE THE BEARDIE A LOOK !!!
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Mulder

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Barked: Fri May 11, '12 7:37pm PST 
No you're wrong, German Shepherd is the best dog.

I know this because I am an expert.

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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

My Little Dog, a- heartbeat at my- feet.<3
 
 
Barked: Fri May 11, '12 9:14pm PST 
I honestly didn't even think of the Golden! Bol. That's entertaining because I have a cousin and great grandparents who are absolutely DEVOTED to the breed. I'd definitely have to consider that.

And yes, I'm aware with Cardigan's that I would have to likely forfeit the velcro part for the type of dog they are if I decided on them - although I do appreciate the insight from a Cardigan owner and appreciate all the pointers on the back stuff. I've actually always LOVED LOVED Vallhunds - my issue has been, how hard are these awesome little guys to get? Far as I'm aware, they're a bit rarer. For the longest time, I was researching them and thinking about getting one, so I may browse around again and see if I can find anything more.

I love Border Collies, but I've always debated them. I've had some in the family before and I even did some for-fun backyard agility with one of them, and she was SUPER smart and learned it all so fast it amazed me and her obedience was so spot on I always wanted one, but I wouldn't even know where to begin in looking for a good breeder or what to look or in terms of health testing.

I don't know if S.O would ever let me get a poodle, lol, but I have certainly considered them. Didn't even think of Shelties either, actually. I'm more familiar with the other breeds listed as suggestions than Shelties actually and may have to look into them a little to see if I like them.

Beardies... Hm. I've only ever met one - who was an absolute sweetheart, but I've never actually seen them in any sports. I'm not sure they're quite what I'm looking for, although I have always loved the look. laugh out loud
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