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Mini pin or something else? - A companion search!

If you are wondering what is the right dog for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about tail wagging and learning.

  
Mr. Jake the- Beagle

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Barked: Mon Feb 20, '12 1:51pm PST 
So I'm back on the fun dog breed hunt to find a buddy for jake the beagle big grin

Jake's little brother or sister will have to be less then 40lbs and have some type of guarding/ security abilities. Now I'm not looking for an attack dog. I'm just looking for something smaller then 40lbs that will do well with a beagle and still be a bit more of a guard dog.

Miniature Pins have lately struck up my fancy since after dealing with a few Schnauzers I helped house sit I was overwhelmed and Jake didn't care for them too much.

Another breed I liked was the corgi but I've been leaning more towards Mini pins.

Can you guys give me any other suggestions for a good companion dog for Jake? I will be getting another dog in a year or so but I want to start looking for certain breeds now.

Also it probably won't be a puppy but another dog probably young >5 since Jake will be turning 3 this year and 4 next year.

Thanks puppy
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Belle

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Barked: Mon Feb 20, '12 2:26pm PST 
If you can't do Schnauzers, I would not recommend Min Pins. Both are high-strung, active, noisy breeds who need a lot of exercise and mental stimulation to be a balanced companion.

Are you against another Beagle? Over and over again I see people going for different breeds because they "need something different," but ultimately end up preferring their old breed anyway. I do appreciate branching out, but at the same time, if it ain't broke...

Shelters are also full of Beagle mixes. I've seen them range in size from very small (crossed with a toy breed) to closer to the 40 lb mark (crossed with Lab, Pit, etc). Just a thought, if a Beagle is currently working for you but you do want that something different.

There are no true guardian breeds that are so small - they are watch dogs instead. Typically they alert, then run and only attack if they're cornered - as opposed to a true guardian who may not even alert before attacking.

Without more information on what you're looking for grooming/energy-wise, it's difficult to give any further ideas. Corgis are one of my favorites, personally, but can be quite energetic and -need- a job as an outlet for their herding drive.
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Maggie

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Barked: Mon Feb 20, '12 3:26pm PST 
An Aussie or Aussie mix might work and they're not hard to find in shelters. They tend to be territorial/protective and good alert barkers. Females (standard sized) can be around 40 lbs or under. Maggie is about 60, but she's fat and should be 45, I've seen many female Aussies even smaller. (Not even going into the "Mini Aussie" thing right now.)

I think if well-socialized they are less reactive and more handler-focused than Min Pins or Schnauzers, which are both more terrier-like and independent. If you want something more bonded and biddable with natural guarding instinct, herding breeds are probably the way to go.

BUT... you have to be up to the challenge of a smart, herdy, energetic dog. When young and untrained they are REALLY annoying until they get some manners.

Also, are you getting this dog because you want "a friend for Jake" or a second dog for yourself? Because a lot of Aussies are "people dogs" more than "dog's dogs" and may not be interested in playing/hanging out with him. Maggie will play with other dogs until someone makes her quit, but I think that's kind of unusual.
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Mr. Jake the- Beagle

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Barked: Mon Feb 20, '12 4:49pm PST 
@ Belle- You are totally right. That i didn't put enough information. I want a dog that's similar to grooming as a beagle. Short coat that doesn't require professional grooming. That was actually a big turn off i had to Schnauzers. That they needed professional attention to look at their best.

The reason I don't want a second beagle is because I'm big on comparisons. I would compare any new beagle i got to jake. And jake isn't the typical beagle. He's really quiet, soft footed and came with a lot of good training, didn't have to house break him or anything. He was also a pound puppy. I didn't pick jake because he was a beagle. I picked him up knowing very little about the breed and so that wasn't really the reason i got him. I got him because he was cute. and dealt with the aftermath of that mistake in the months to follow but still Jake is still here and i'm happy to have him. So beagles aren't really the breed for me. I would have to say "Jake" is the dog that works for me. Since i can't stand my grandfather's beagle.

And i guess I'm looking for more of a watch dog then. I just want a dog that unlike jake won't just sit there tail wagging when someone comes in the door. A warning bark or two would be nice. I don't need them to longue for the throat or attack i would just like a dog that would alert me to someone in the house that doesn't belong. Jake tends to just stare at them and if they offer a cookie i'm as good as dead. (tried this they threw a dog biscuit and walked right in the house) red face

@ Maggie- I hope your healing up. I read back when you and Bruno got into an incident involving a Ewe. I'm happy everyone's alright.

My Friend on here Molly is an Aussie/Border collie mix and yeah... I'm not even going to mess with that. Way too much fur. I don't mind shedding but i have an aversion to long haired dogs that I had forgotten to put in the original post. I don't mind shedding. Jake sheds all year around it seems and a lot. with those nasty needle hairs that stick to everything. But I dont' know if herding is really my thing. That's why i was leaning away from hound dogs like beagles.

I was looking more for a dog for me that could double as a play friend for jake. Since jake's a pretty Velcro dog but loves to play with other dogs while we're at the dog park or daycare or visiting family. The only reason i have a weight restriction is because we're moving to student housing that has a weight limit of 50lbs or under. But to answer the question I'm looking for a dog for me. That will have to get along with jake.
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Dunlop

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Barked: Tue Feb 21, '12 4:31am PST 
Corgi's can be wonderful dogs but mind the barking. Dunlop is friends with two of them at the dog school who are obedience champs & sharp as tacks. The handler had to have child proof locks on her cabinets! I don't know if that was just her pair though.
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Mr. Jake the- Beagle

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Barked: Wed Feb 22, '12 12:31pm PST 
Dunlop- Interesting. I know there are two types of corgis though i don't quite know the difference between the two. Though i've met both types the only difference I see is color but i'm sure it's probably more then that.
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Lenny

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Barked: Wed Feb 22, '12 2:12pm PST 
Not a breed expert, but I think a hound mix or some of the smaller hounds will be great for the reason that they are often very good with other dogs and love the company of other dogs. When you're getting a dog with the hope that he or she will be a good companion for another dog and love being a part of a 'pack' then I think that's something in mind.

What about a boston terrier? They have a short coat, they do require exercise but from what I understand not that much and are very playful. I am not sure of whether they make good watch dogs though, have to ask someone who knows the breed about that.

It is my understanding that the Pembroke Welsh Corgi is 'softer' than the Cardigan Welsh Corgi, but I could be wrong.

If anything you can always go to a rescue group and say "I'm looking for a dog 40 pounds or less, moderate energy adult who likes other dogs and who will be a good alert to people approaching the house" A good mutt is always an option too smile
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Belle Roux- Melancon

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Barked: Fri Feb 24, '12 12:26am PST 
I like what Belle said. And beagles are great in pairs. A lady down the street has two and they look so cute when they walk together.

I would think twice about a min pin: I have one and it took my unemployment (not on purpose) and basically my arm and my leg to set her straight
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Barked: Fri Feb 24, '12 8:10am PST 
yep! Two kinds of corgis ;-)

I keep cardigans, but pembrokes are more popular for the general public. Temperament, IMHO, is the big difference between the two. Cardigans are bigger, have a front similar to that of a bassett hound, and have a tail. They come in a multitude of colors. Pembrokes are smaller, more compact, and don't have a tail. I can look at a red pembroke and a red cardigan and easily tell the difference, but I'm not sure if everyone could.

Cardigans are a more serious dog then pembrokes, and tend to REALLY need an outlet. I would say that if you aren't into performance (like obedience, agility, herding, etc) that you'd be better off with a Pembroke. I don't mean to say that Cardigans aren't adaptable, because they are, but 99% of cardigans still have alot of herding instinct and they can be somewhat intense about it.

I do agility, rally-o, and herding with my dog and she gets about two hours of exercise a day on top of all of that, and she's still very energetic. ;-)

Both breeds are super smart. Some can be barky, but my girl actually isn't that barky. She is an excellent alarm dog, because she knows what's normal and what isn't normal.

She tends to be very bossy towards other dogs and feels the need to herd everything, LMAO! She may be smaller at 30 lbs, but she won't hesitate to put another dog in its place, no matter how big it is, if she feels it is being rude. She is NOT a good dog park dog, despite being heavily socialized. Honeslty, she only likes other corgis.

It might be different if they are raised with other dogs. My dog was a total pest as a puppy to my poor cat, but as she grew older she calmed down and he just grew to put up with her herding him everywhere.

My dog is also a land shark and if there's food around and unattended, she'll find a way to get it. I mean, she'll literally open cabinets and climb chairs to get to the table, and I've seen her hop up on a bar stool then up on the counter.

The good side is that she's very food motivated and she pretty much trains herself. LMAO! She's SUCH a smart dog. Really, it's like having a toddler with alot of fur around.

She's wonderful with people and actually very good with kids. She'd have made some little boy a dream dog, but she's stuck with me! ;-)

Corgi's often shed alot...and I mean alot. Especially pembrokes.

there are health problems in both breeds, so if you get one, especially if you get a rescue, do your research and be prepared. I would watch out for IVDD, hip dysplasia, DM, and Addison's.

One last thing- LMAO! I guess I don't want my post to come across like you shouldn't get one. I researched dogs for TWO YEARS before I picked the Cardigan. I think they are truly phenomenal dogs, and as a whole, the breed isn't plagued by back yard breeders.

With that being said, I'm definitely not a hound or retriever person, and I prefer a more serious, intense dog. I don't like goofy, clingy, stubborn, and hyper
active dogs, so I'll happily put up with a bit of reactivity if I don't have to deal with those things. ;-)

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