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Breeder comments?

If you are wondering what is the right dog for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about tail wagging and learning.

  
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Harlow

st. francis of- asses
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 6:20am PST 
Always looking.... I have been spending alot of time on this breeders website, so far I am impressed. Can someone give me feedback. I want to get my next dal puppy from a much better breeder than I did last time. Being a first time purchaser of a dal, we made alot of mistakes with Harlow though I would never trade her for anything. I want to make sure this time that we make the best choice. I know there are alot of dogsters that have much more experience in judging breeders than I do, so would very much appreciate any help. jlsdals.com
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Tanuk, CGC

Sherpa Tanuk of- Everest
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 7:16am PST 
I think the most important thing to consider is what YOU are looking for. Do you want a working Dal? An obedience Dal? Or just a family pet? Personally I think a breeder who stands behind their pups, health guarantees like Lilith's breeder did, or return the pup here guarantees are required. As for health checks, I'm on the fence. Hip, eye, etc. tests do not guarantee a dog who will never have problems. However, a breeder who stands behind their pups if something does occur is worth while. Vets in our area really don't even recommend OFAs and such anymore, because there is no guarantee the pups won't have issues even if the parents didn't. Then again...two parents with bad hearts, skin conditions, or hip dysplasia most certainly shouldn't be bred. I also find that I prefer breeders who feed healthier foods, i.e. not Puppy Chow or Science Diet.

What will help you most is making a list of your needs and wants. Then finding and meeting with a breeder who best matched those. way to go

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Harlow

st. francis of- asses
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 7:23am PST 
Obedience and agility would be on my list. Not showing, don't know if I have interest in that. I understand what you are saying on some of the tests but for dals certain things have to be tested for. Above all, temperment, because he will be a pet, in my home, around my grandkids, out in public. I would like to get involved in road trials also.
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Frank

My dog is- spoiled, as he- should be!
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 7:37am PST 
I looked and they looked good to 'me'.
The bad part is that I've never bought from a breeder so I'm not the best to give advice here.
They don't look to overbreed, so I think that is good.
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Monty RL1- AoE CGC

I think I'm a- king among dogs
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 7:44am PST 
I browsed through the Dalmatian Club of America website, reading the health info and code of ethics and such, and it looks like this breeder is a pretty good bet! All of her dogs (that I checked) were registered with BAER for hearing acuity and CERF for eye health. Obviously, she's active with her dogs. I really don't see anything that worries me. I'm much better at finding the good stuff than noticing what's missing, but she looks very good.
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Monty RL1- AoE CGC

I think I'm a- king among dogs
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 7:55am PST 
In response to Tanuk's doubts on health testing:

I think health testing is critical, and I prefer public posting of the results. It's not just about the parents and what they might produce, it's about THEIR parents also. You breed dog A and B. They have pups C-H. Once those pups are mature, and they clear their health tests, you have valuable information about what A and B are producing. This specific example is in reference to Newfs, I didn't see anything about Dals having heart problems, but:
If bitch A threw a heart puppy and dog B threw a heart puppy, both in prior litters, you might still considering breeding those two together depending on all the other factors you consider. But if bitch A and dog B create heart puppies together, you can file that information away about the mixing of those two particular pedigrees to try to prevent that from happening in future litters. Same goes for dysplasia, temperament...
You might have two great dogs who pass all of their health tests, and then their offspring don't do well... that particular pairing wasn't a good one.

I'm still learning about this stuff, maybe Tiller will pop in and explain it more clearly, but health testing is ESSENTIAL and I am aghast that vets "aren't recommending it" because it's not a completely accurate predictor. At the VERY least, even if you have no faith in its indication of puppy health, you need to verify that the parents are healthy, and that goes beyond "she walks fine, she must not have joint problems." NO! You need to get in there and see what is developing. She walks fine NOW, but maybe her hips are STARTING to deteriorate and the clinical signs won't be apparent for a few more months, years...

Bottom line is, I STRONGLY believe anyone who isn't doing breed appropriate health tests falls under the BYB category. I don't care if they show, I don't care if they do obedience or whatever, health tests are critical.
If I want a purebred dog and don't care about the health testing, I'm going to get one from breed rescue, I will NEVER support a breeder who's not doing health testing with my money.
That's not to say just because someone is doing the testing they know what they're doing... that's where experience plays a role. I also don't believe a dog shouldn't be bred just because he didn't pass a health test, but the breeder should have a specific reason for using THAT dog over another who DID clear all of their tests.
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Harlow

st. francis of- asses
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 8:03am PST 
This is what I really want to do with my dals...

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab208/tkatreid/Wrangle rGWDC08speed.jpg
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Monty RL1- AoE CGC

I think I'm a- king among dogs
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 8:05am PST 
What is that? I saw a picture of that on the breeder's page.
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Harlow

st. francis of- asses
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 8:17am PST 
long version of an answer Monty...

A Dalmatian Road Trial is a performance event designed to evaluate the Dalmatian's ability to "coach", or follow the horses. Exhibitors compete as handler on horseback or in a horse-drawn cart or carriage, with dog(s) off leash. The Dalmatian Standard of the American Kennel Club states that the Dalmatian "should be capable of great endurance, combined with a fair amount of speed", qualities essential to his successful use as a horse/rider and horse/coach escort. The purpose of a Road Trial is to demonstrate the use of purebred Dalmatians as a companion of man in the role that they have been bred to perform.

There are three levels of Road Trial Competition. The "Coaching Certificate" test evaluates the Dalmatian's ability to coach. The "Road Dog" class evaluates coaching ability and moderate endurance. The "Road Dog Excellent" class evaluates coaching ability and extended endurance. Road Trials demonstrate Dalmatians' ability to behave in public places, such as riding trails, in the presence of other dogs, in a manner that will reflect positively on the sport and on purebred dogs.
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Harlow

st. francis of- asses
 
 
Barked: Wed Jul 7, '10 8:29am PST 
oh, I am in love....

Wow!
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