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If you are wondering what is the right dog for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about tail wagging and learning.
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Sandy Baby
I will get you- Super Giant Mega- Chicken
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 | | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 12:21pm PST | |  | |  | | Darla, with all due respect, the founder of PeTA has said (on more than one occassion) that she doesn't support the breeding of ANY domesiticated pets. So, if it were up to her, we wouldn't have parakeets, guinea pigs, hamsters, box turtles, goldfish, gerbils... and, yes, we wouldn't even have... dogs and cats.
Also, didn't you hear about the case against PeTA in NC? (of course I did, I live in NC... it was all over the place for a pretty little minute) A bunch of truth came out during that case. PeTA blantly admited to euthanizing SEVERAL more animals than they found homes for. I can't remember exact numbers... but just to pull some out of a hat... it was very similar to if a kill shelter would've said "We euthanized two hundred dogs and only found homes for three." Now, you KNOW that if a shelter said that, EVERYONE would be protesting. PeTA says it... and some people still support them. I don't get it. I don't care WHAT condition the dog or cat is in. There are SEVERAL people willing to take in a hearworm positive dog... if you look hard enough. I doubt PeTA even tries.  |  |  | |  |
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Addy, CGC
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| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 12:48pm PST | | | | | | I don't dislike PETA at all. 95% of what they do is wonderful. You can't believe all the bull your read online. Like the myth that PETA kills adopted pets.
PETA's headquarters is in Virginia. Virginia requires organizations that take animals in for the purpose of adoption to report the animals taken in for the purpose of adoption, and their ultimate disposition, every year.
They do not have to report the animals taken in for the purpose of being euthanized.
Every year, PETA's own reports to the state of Virginia show that of the animals surrendered to them for the purpose of adoption, they killed between 92% and 97%. The numbers adopted out are in single digits most years.
Euthanasia of healthy, adoptable animals by PETA, animals surrendered to them on the promise that PETA would find good homes for them, is documented--including in the North Carolina court case that another poster referred to.
he truth is PETA takes in dogs and cats from shelters that use inhumen methods of euthanasia, like decompression, gas, and gunshots. They euthanize these animals humanely.
It's also well-documented that most of the shelters that surrendered animals to PETA in the belief that PETA would be able to find homes for them, do not use such methods, but instead euthanize in a normal, humane manner.
Sadly, there is no way that all these animals can find homes. With all the BYBs and puppy mills out there, plus all the irresponsible pet owners! PETA is not for BSL. They are FOR breeding bans of all breeds. I think that unless you are a professional and reputable breeder, you should be banned from breeding!
PETA is opposed to all breeding. They want all dogs and cats spayed or neutered.
Repsonsible breeders are not professionals, and they're not in business. They're dedicated hobbyists, breeding for the love of the dogs and the breed. PETA supports Mandatory Spay/Neuter laws with "exceptons" that only puppy millers would be able to qualify for.
And that's not an accident. Eliminate the good breeders and the well-bred dogs, and shutting down all breeding and eliminating dogs would be that much easier, because no one can defend the conditions in puppy mills or the unfortunate dogs they produce.
You need to look at the facts. PETA saves animals and does a lot of good. You need to stop listening to the garbage online that bashes one organization just because they don't believe in everything they do. Of course hunters and butchers are going to be against PETA! Of course BYBers and puppymills are going to be against PETA! Of course zoos, circuses, and people who own tigers as pets are going to be against PETA!
People who own dogs and cats as pets, and who are paying attention to what PETA really stands for, are opposed to PETA, too, Darla.
I'm a proud member of PETA and make monthly donations. They do a lot of good. PETA is what got me to turn vegan. And guess what? Goodbye obesity, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and diabetes! Both my dogs and I eat a biologically appropriate diet; vegan for me, and raw meat for my dogs.
Guess what, Darla. Obesity, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and diabetes can be eliminated, avoided, or treated with healthy diets that include meat, or that are vegetarian but not vegan. And for dogs, there are high quality kibbles, high quality canned foods, and well-designed home-cooked diets that provide nutrition, health, and enjoyment, just like raw.
And PETA is opposed to your having access to the meat that allows you to serve an appropriate raw diet to your dog, as well as allowing me to provide an appropriate cooked diet for mine.
As far as PETA is concerned, the end goal is that neither of us should have pets, and that domestic dogs, cats, horses, cows, chickens, sheep, pigs, and everytbing else that is not a wild animal, should be extinct. | | | | |
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Cheyenne
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| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 2:23pm PST | | | | | | Sorry to say it, but... yeah. PETA doesn't own a humongous walk-in freezer for the purpose of storing steaks. (That would be ironic.) They use it for the corpses of the animals they've killed.
PETA is immensely hypocritical. It's not what they do alone, it's the fact that they outright LIE about it, that they justify every crappy thing they do. They condemn all euthanasia yet they euthanize. Their leader condemns all products made from animals yet uses diabetes medication made from animals "so that I can continue the fight." They are involved with terrorism for animal rights. They're against keeping pets or using guide dogs for the blind because it's "exploitation." I regret to have to say it, because it's horrible to realize you've been following and giving money to such an organization... but it's true, and the sooner one realizes it, the better. There are well-meaning people in PETA, but they're better off giving to places like Dogtown, a true no-kill shelter dedicated to rehabilitating and adopting out even the most extreme cases of aggression and disability.
If anybody still doubts that PETA is a hot mess of dishonesty and politics, ask yourself... can all these people be lying? Do they all sound like liars? If nothing else, the quotes from Ingrid Newkirk herself are pretty damning.
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=2056
http://www.sfgate. com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL
http:/ /www.associatedcontent.com/article/282260/peta_when_animal_rights_be comes_terrorism.html?cat=9
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
http:/ /western-wisdom.blogspot.com/2006/08/peta-hypocrites-at-their-dumbes t.html
http://i_ate_your_suv.gnn.tv/blogs/17376/PETA_HYPOCRITES_OR_ SAVIORS
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/ingrid_newkirk_pe ta_hypocrites/
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/13-440.as px
And if you do a websearch, you will find much, much more. The Penn and Teller episode is quite enlightening as well. The sooner we stop giving PETA money, and spreading the word about their radical agenda, the better off the animals of the world will be.Edited by author Fri Jul 3, '09 2:26pm PST
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♥Rosi- e♥
Is your breed- next? Ban BSL.
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 | | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 8:58pm PST | | | | | | I understand that some people feel very strongly about this subject, but please, I really don't want any fights! Feel free to voice your opinion, but please do it a positive way, other wise someone's feelings might get hurt, and that's not in the Dogster spirit!
(I also don't want this thread to be removed!  )
Darla;
I know that you are just trying to help out the animals, but I personally think that you'd be helping more by donating money to your local shelter. PETA stuff:
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GASP!
Did you not visit my link?
"Some Dogs are Weapons - Ban Them"
By Ingrid Newkirk
Thursday, January 27, 2000
MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA that at many animal shelters across the country, any "pit bull" who comes through the front door goes out the back door -- in a body bag. From San Jose to Schenectady, many shelters have enacted policies requiring the automatic destruction of the huge and ever-growing number of "pits" they encounter. This news shocks and outrages the compassionate dog-lover.
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Some dogs are weapons, Ban them???? Does that sound anti-BSL to you? And why does she put Pits in quotations. They're just like any other dog. They're not some monster lady.
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These days, they are kept for protection by almost every drug dealer and pimp in every major city and beyond. You can drive into any depressed area and see them being used as cheap burglar alarms, wearing heavy logging chains around their necks (they easily break regular collars and harnesses), attached to a stake or metal drum or rundown doghouse without a floor and with holes in the roof.
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Maybe it's just me, but honestly, I think don't think a Pit could break through a collar or harness...
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Those who argue against the euthanasia policy for pit bull dogs are naive. One dog that had just been adopted by a family suddenly clamped his jaw onto the thigh of a 7-year-old boy. Two grown men had a hard time getting the dog off and the child suffered permanent nerve damage. Tales like this abound.
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Are you kidding me??? ANY other dog could do that!!! The dog was probably provoked!!!!
BTW: When I was four, two grown men couldn't pin me down to get a sliver out of my foot. Oops! I must be a Pit Bull! HELP! HELP! PETA is coming!!!
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I have scars on my leg and arm from my own encounter with a pit. Many are loving and will kiss on sight, but many are unpredictable. An unpredictable chihuahua is one thing, an unpredictable pit another.
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This is the only reason why she hates them. She holds a grudge.
I hate you Ingrid Newkirk, but I don't hate ALL Ingrids now! And what's the difference between a Chihuahua and a Pit? An unpredictable dog is an unpredictable dog! Who cares if it's a Husky, Chihuahua, Coton de Tulear, Great Pyrenees, Boxer, Maltese or a Pit?
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People who genuinely care about dogs won't be affected by a ban on pits. They can go to the shelter and save one of the countless other breeds and lovable mutts sitting on death row through no fault of their own. We can only stop killing pits if we stop creating new ones.
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Excuse me? Won't be affected? This will soon lead to the banning of all dogs...
Oh, I get it now! That's what her goal is!!!! Well, she's still a crazy to me.
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Legislators, please take note.
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Like they're going to base their decision on someone who got mad at the president for swatting a fly on T.V. Get real.
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We can only stop killing pits if we stop creating new ones.
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No, we can only stop killing them if ignorant little *******CENSORED********** like you stop giving them a bad rap.
I know, I'm a hypocrite! Totally out of the Dogster spirit! Well, that's what I get when I bring up Ingrid Newkirk!
Love, Rosie♥
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Noel
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| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 9:05pm PST | | | | | | "Maybe it's just me, but honestly, I think don't think a Pit could break through a collar or harness..."
Well, Lexus (sister's boyfriend's purebred apbt), who is a huge mushball broke through her nylon collar... she just pulls and doesn't even notice. She has a choke chain now and does the same (no she isn't ever chained outside, but for walks I mean). I suggested a halti, who knows. | | | | |
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