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If you are wondering what is the right dog for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about tail wagging and learning.
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Shadow
Scardy Cat |
 | | Barked: Sat Jun 27, '09 3:51pm PST | |  | |  | | Hello all, im going to be buying a purebred Golden retriever and ive found one breeder that i think i like. This is the link to the website:
http://www.paradisegoldenretrievers.com/
has anyone dealt with them before?
The other dilema im facing is on whether or not i get a puppy from this breeder, or adopt a 2 year old from someone who was going to start breeding but did not have the time and wants to find a home for her 2 year old. She has great bloodlines and all parents were OFA hip/eye cleared and heart.
The reason i like the idea of an adult is i dont have to go through the teething and chewing everything up and she is already somewhat housebroken.
The reason i want a puppy is because i would like for the dog to grow up with me and train her how i want to from the get go and possible do agility.
one reason i dont want the adult is of course a shorter life span which of course i know alot of shouldnt say i should worry about that but when im gonna be paying more for her than for the puppy it is a concern. She is full akc registered but i would be getting her on a limited registration contract |  |  | |  |
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Megan
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 | | Barked: Sat Jun 27, '09 4:21pm PST | | | | | | Why can I not find any of their 'OFA certified' dogs in the OFA database?
Where are those dogs titles? Why do they have so many litters? (3 litters in a year? Are they seriously just breeding that questionable looking untitled male to those poor bitches over and over again? The females look overbred, tired. They ship 'anywhere in the USA', they don't mention screening homes.. looks like an online petstore to me.
What makes you think this is a good breeder? | | | | |
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B.J., CGC
We don't do- doodles!!
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| | Barked: Sat Jun 27, '09 4:35pm PST | | | | | | I'm sure someone else will also give their opinions, but I was concerned that the only health clearance on the parents appears to be on the hips. Goldens need hip, elbow, heart and eyes, including a DNA check for PRA. But... to me the biggest red flag was calling the stud dog "white". That is not an acceptable color and I am pretty sure the golden people get just as upset when it is used to describe a golden as we do when hearing it in a lab's description. Also, what is their major purpose in breeding? They don't show, do field work, or performance events. Ask lots of questions!!! A quality stud dog or brood bitch takes way more than a pedigree with champions in it.
As for the older dog... you could certainly ask for the health testing to be done prior to your buying her. | | | | |
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Shadow
Scardy Cat |
| | Barked: Sat Jun 27, '09 4:38pm PST | | | | | | this is ginger snaps 2nd litter, she went over 2 years without a litter. the Sire is from another breeder he is too young to have ofa hip and eye clearances. ill contact the breeder to try and get a hold of their pedigrees | | | | |
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Lucky
Attention hog!
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| | Barked: Sat Jun 27, '09 4:46pm PST | | | | | | I am with Megan on this as well. I also don't really like the look of their dogs, but maybe it was just the pictures. And of course looks/type is always a preference.
I like that they do the paws thing, but that is about it. Also with a golden you need much more than just OFA. I don't know if you are looking at Florida breeders but I got these two Florida Gulf Coast GR club.
http://cashmeregoldenretrievers.com/index.html
http://www. questangoldens.org/Austin.html
Both do a very thorough health screening process. I am just using them as quick examples, and you could also look at field line breeders depending on what you want in your dog. Either way you have to interview the breeder, just as they will interview you. Visit if you can to see the conditions of the dogs and where they live. Check the OFA, CERF, and other date bases to make sure they actually do the testing. Etc.
ETA: I wouldn't want a puppy from a dog that was too young to be tested, even if his whole pedigree was tested and had no problems. If I am paying the money for a good dog, I would like as many health tests as possible.
Lucky is from a byb, before I knew anything and educated my parents. Just wanted to add that before anyone commented on her looks etc.Edited by author Sat Jun 27, '09 4:48pm PST
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Jenny, CD,- RN, CGC
We don't do- doodles!!!
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| | Barked: Sat Jun 27, '09 4:48pm PST | | | | | | Eye clearances are done yearly with goldens, starting at about 8 weeks old. OFA will do preliminary reports on all testing prior to two years. I would run fast in the other direction if this stud dog has not had at the very least, any preliminary testing done. And, I do not believe there is a minimum age for the cardiac exam either.
It takes way more than a pretty pedigree to make a dog worthy of being bred.
Jenny has NO champions in her direct lineage, yet she has to date produced two champions out of four puppies. Her pedigree did, however, contain ALL tested and cleared dogs. And, sadly, plenty of dogs sitting in puppy mills have champions in their pedigrees, too. | | | | |
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Addy, CGC
Let's go for a- walk! |
| | Barked: Sat Jun 27, '09 4:50pm PST | | | | | | Shadow, I see some problems with that breeder.
Their dogs are not Champions, and they don't appear to show or compete their dogs in anything. Champion ancestors means little or nothing, if there are no champions in the parents and grandparents. (I'm speaking loosely, including field titles here.)
They do say "OFA clearances" are part of the puppy purchase package. I'd insist on getting the OFA paperwork before putting down any deposit, if I were buying from these people--which, I have to say, I wouldn't.
State health certificates and health certificates from their own regular vet are meaningless. They have nothing to do with health screening for the genetic problems of the particular breed.
The "health guarantee"--they don't say what it is. If it isn't long enough to cover the likely onset of known genetic conditions in your breed, it's meaningless.
They say they've never had a puppy returned for health reasons. HUGE red flag there: Most people will not return a sick puppy once it has been in their homes for a few days. A "health guarantee" that requires you to return the puppy or dog to collect on it, is morally a fraud, even if it legally passes muster.
They take deposits on puppies from upcoming litters via PayPal. No screening of the potential buyer, except for your ability to pay. That's it. That's all they care about. They also advertise their willingness to ship anywhere in the US. Most reputable breeders will agree to ship, to a carefully screened person, if there is a really, really good reason. Some won't ship at all. They all prefer that you come to them, so that they can meet you--and you should want to, to see where your puppy is being raised.
And that means that those cute, wholesome pictures are likely to be fakes. Notice that there aren't really any candids inside an obvious home setting. These people do not care what happens to their puppies after they've been paid in full. It's possible I'm wrong about that, but honestly, they show no signs of caring about anything but getting paid.
This is a breeder to run far, far away from.
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this is ginger snaps 2nd litter, she went over 2 years without a litter. the Sire is from another breeder he is too young to have ofa hip and eye clearances. ill contact the breeder to try and get a hold of their pedigrees
No reputable breeder would use a stud dog or bitch who hadn't had the proper clearances done. Period. No reputable breeder. This is, at best, a backyard breeder.Edited by author Sat Jun 27, '09 4:55pm PST
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