frenchtons (boston terrier/french bulldog mix)

If you are wondering what is the right dog for you, this is the place to be. In this introductory forum we talk about topics such as breed vs. mix, size, age, grooming, breeders, shelters, rescues as well as requirements for exercise, space and care. No question is too silly here. This particular forum is for getting and giving helpful, nice advice. It is definitely not a forum for criticizing someone else's opinion, knowledge or advice. This forum is all about tail wagging and learning.

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Tyler

Whippy- The- Whipador

Barked: Tue Sep 15, '09 3:59pm PST


	Great posts Oreo Duppy said.. If you really really really want a mix that bad, why not hit up Petfinder???? I don't really understand why you'd go to a breeder to get a mixed dog. I just simply don't. Sadly, it's not always an option to get a rescue dog. When i so badly wanted a second dog i was currently still living at home. I begged my mum to let us adopt a rescue dog but she just refused point blank! She is not a very doggy prson to begin with and has misconceptions about rescue dogs, believing you can never trust them the same as a pup,they all have baggage etc etc. So for me, my only option was to go out and purchase a puppy ( although my mums refusal was not the only reason i didn't adopt, i had Missy to consider too ) I could not afford the price of a Weimaraner that i wanted and Tyler's litter was advertised a few days later and the rest as they say is history

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Tia

Did you say- Ball?

Barked: Tue Sep 15, '09 4:36pm PST


	"If you really really really want a mix that bad, why not hit up Petfinder???? I don't really understand why you'd go to a breeder to get a mixed dog. I just simply don't. " Duppy, not all mixbreed dogs are the same. A small low energy mixbreed would not suit someone looking for a medium sized high energy dog. Some people who want mixes want specific things, and those are not always even available through shelters/rescues or pounds. I live in Alberta and in our province both of our main cities IMPORT small dogs to rescue as we have had great leaders in our shelter systems for years and our open admission pounds/shelters do not have the same difficulties as our southern neighbors do. So . . . no, not everyone looking for a dog from a shelter IS going to find what they want, especially if they are just looking for some specifics. I see no reason to try to dictate to them they should only be allowed to choose from an arbitrary list of breeds. Some mixbreeds are predictable - Cockapoos being one that seem to have lots of repeat customers. Finding a responsible breeder of mixes is difficult, but not impossible . . . same goes for finding a responsible breeder of purebred dogs. Edited by author Tue Sep 15, '09 4:45pm PST

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Duppy- Conquerer- ~*CGC*~

cesorship wont- silence my bark

Barked: Wed Sep 16, '09 8:35am PST


	I'm sorry, I see your point in that, but I do disagree. You may not find the type of dog you want, immediately, but in my opinion, it is the time that it takes to find such a dog that makes it all worth it. If you are not investing much in the dog, how much are you going to get out of it? If you can't invest much time or money, what are you willing to invest? When the dog needs training, will you be willing then, to invest time? Money is not the only cost that goes into investing in a dog, whether it is from a reputable breeder or a shelter. Like I said, that's why I don't see why one wouldn't just search Pet finder. And that's easier then making rounds at your local shelters until you find what you want. Sure, some people go into a pound open minded and something speaks to them right away. But people that have a specific mixed breed in mind, it usually takes time until they find the right one. There are SO many animals on Petfinder, and if you didn't find what you wanted out right, I'm sure, given the time, you would. I am going to be adopting a cat soon, but I am in no hurry to do so. I plan on searching until I find the right one. If I were to buy from a breeder, just the same as I am wanting to adopt one, it is going to take time to find the right cat that will suit me, and I do have a few breeds that I would prefer it to be mixed with. I think being in a hurry to find one would raise the chances significantly of ending up with a cat that was a poor fit. The same goes with dogs. When I ever get another dog, I already know it will be a long process. I have heavily considered going with a very reputable breeder and shelling out a lot of money, but even then I know it will still be a long process in finding the right breeder, and the right dog with the right traits that work best for me. I'm not saying anyone else here is wrong, but I just don't really see why one would buy a mix dog from a back yard breeder when they could find the same thing in a shelter somewhere.

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Kolbe

Where can I run- today?

Barked: Wed Sep 16, '09 8:53am PST


	Can I see some examples of people reputably breeding mixes? Everyone keeps saying "Oh, they're out there!" but no one actually gives examples/links. I'm not being snarky, I'm being honest. I have seen some for the "Goldendoodles" but no examples for all these other random things... Snorkies, schnoodles, frenchtons, boxador and whatnot... I'd REALLY be interested in seeing some links! And I mean someone who only produces 1-2 litters per year, does extensive health screening, no breeding before age 2, intensive purchaser interviewing... things like that. That way next time someone says "Ohhh I want a Goldencockadoodlesnorkydoo!!!" I can be prepared with references for what they should and should not be looking for in someone selling these mixes.

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Lilith

I'm a trilingual- dog!

Barked: Wed Sep 16, '09 8:58am PST


	I actually haven't seen any good Goldendoodle breeders either, even though I checked the breeder pages of, among others, the President, VP, Treasurer, Secretary etc etc of the Australian Goldendoodle Club of America. It is in my belief that if a breeder of crossbreeds was actually responsible and cared about the future of the dogs, the dog wouldn't be "crossbreeds" for long. If the breeder actually cared about the lines, who is bred to whom, kept clean records, responsibly doing it, health testing, etc, it would be known as a "breed" recognized by some major KC shortly. Edited by author Wed Sep 16, '09 9:02am PST

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Tyler

Whippy- The- Whipador

Barked: Wed Sep 16, '09 9:50am PST


	Here you go Kolbe... Good Labradoodle breeders...these are hard to come by as Labradoodles are so over bred and so popular here. But by searching you can find them DoodlesUK And some other crossbreed breeders below... Topmaccockapoos Jastra Goldendoodles SpringBatts

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Kolbe

Where can I run- today?

Barked: Wed Sep 16, '09 10:29am PST


	Thanks for the links! This is helpful to see some. I was definitely not impressed with the Cockapoo one... breeding only once a year is great, but they say "only if they have been vet checked and pass 100%". That does NOT mean genetic/health testing.... a checkup at the vet is not the same thing at all. I think the layman commonly misconstrues them as being one and the same. So unfortunately not someone I'd recommend. They also only have information on the Cockapoo but nothing about the parent breeds. As for the Springbatts site... I am glad to see their return policy, but maybe I'm missing something here. Where is the health test info? All I can find is "Our foundation stock were from Show Champions on the Basset side to Field trial Champions on the Springer side. " which means squat to me. It's just all very vague... plus they also breed Dalmatians, Labradors, AND Springers... I can find health test info on the Labs so why nothing on the Springbatts? All that said, still the 2 Doodle links were the only ones I was comfortable with.... I would really love to have some decent non-Doodle links to store away for reference, especially since a few people in my family and my husband's family are into the designer dog fad -- "Bichon-Poos" and "Schnorkies" to be specific. It would be very helpful. So keep the links coming please...!

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Lilith

I'm a trilingual- dog!

Barked: Wed Sep 16, '09 11:24am PST


	The UK Labradoodle link didn't impress me much. That was the only link I looked at though. They did health test, but it didn't seem like they were doing much except letting the dogs they now currently own make babies with each other. What about group genetic health and expansion of the breeding pool? How do they know the dogs they have are truly the best there are out there? They don't seem to have participated in much else in order to compare their dogs to what is out there.. while they can't do conformation, there are certainly other venues out there for some healthy competition. To me, breeding with just the 3 dogs and five bitches you've got is tunnel-vision. And I can't believe the "springbatts" are $1600USD each. While they came from champion LINES, the parents themselves certainly aren't (can't be), so I don't see what justifies the $1600 show quality pricing.. it's not like they invested a lot of money to take the parents to shows or field trials.. Edited by author Wed Sep 16, '09 11:29am PST

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Oreo (In- Loving- Memory)

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Barked: Wed Sep 16, '09 11:42am PST


	Keep in mind, re testing Kolbe, that in many of the smaller breeds it IS the vet that does the checks. To actually judge these breeders and know what they were testing for you would have to email and find out what has been done, and most importantly find out what health knowledge they have regarding the ancestors in the pedigree. Recording tests on one generation does show breeders are trying and want to start being open, but truly it is the study of the ancestors behind that is important. There are very few genetic DNA type tests available in any of the breeds. As an example, for Papillons, patellas are checked (even for OFA) by a vet practitioner. So are hearts. In some breeds it is requested that heart checks be done by a cardiologist, but as often as not, even in Cavaliers where hearts are a HUGE problem, if you look the heart check on OFA, it is done by a vet practitioner. Eyes are cleared by specialists, but most conditions are late onset, so the CERF certificate for a two year old really means very little especially as a great many dams are retired at the age of four. Only if you see the background pedigree with CERF at older ages for the ancestors should you be impressed. Many small breeds are like this - Chihuahuas, Maltese etc. I know breeders that are absolutely fantastic, who know lines and genetics and have many decades in their breeds but they won't use OFA as there are some resentment issues. (That's a whole 'nother topic). Because of this I do not obligate breeders of pure or mixed to use OFA as a determination of there responsibility, as it is a fee for service and the breeders have every right to hold the results without sending them in and breed on with their own knowledge . . . but I do like to look at OFA to see which affixes etc. are testing generation after generation. Here is one for a Labradoodle with a couple of gens of testing behind it. http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1277356#animal and one of a Cockapoo: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1345708#animal

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Tyler

Whippy- The- Whipador

Barked: Wed Sep 16, '09 11:45am PST


	Lilith, you say the Labradoodle breeders don't do much else with their dogs but i've also looked at many pedigree breeders who only seem to show their dogs and churn out pups I posted the link to show that there is responsible breeders out there who health test breeding stock which was the subject of the last few pages. As for the Springbatts, i've heard about them before but am not familiar with them or their breeding practices. The price is outrageous, i'd never pay that for any crossbreed pup but it is the going rate for a lot of mixed pups. Labradoodles can fetch anywhere from £600 - £1,000!

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