|Barked: Fri Jan 4, '13 7:18am PST |
|Are someone else's lines really that offensive to you simply because they don't jive with your own?
Where others draw the line don't bother me. But calling where I draw the line as tortuous, cruel and morally corrupt is quite offensive.
You are comparing an actual kill sequence that needs to be perpetuated in nature for it to sustain itself, to an unnecessary and prolonged pursuit for human fun.
...but you were the one who brought up hunting as being fun in the first place.
Look at it like this....if I had a pet rabbit I wouldn't let my dogs bark at it incessantly. It *would* terrify the thing and there's just no reason for that. Agree or no?
With the question, agree. But incessant barking at a rabbit in an enclosed area is not comparable to barking a few minutes or an hour at a creature with several escape routes in the wild. Not chase is incessant.
Again this goes back to biology 101. When that sort of damage is done to heart, lungs and/or liver a living being usually has seconds to live and no time to comprehend what's just happened.
I can't tell you how many blood trails their are. There is no way you can tell me that a deer doesn't have any pain. You questioned how I "knew" what was going on in a deer's head, and now you're saying a deer can't comprehend that it has significant pain after being shot?
It has nothing to do with the money, it's entirely about experience.
Then why continually point out how you spend thousands of dollars on them?
I disagree that letting your dogs run deer on hikes makes anyone any sort of expert.
Never claimed to be an expert, and I run into deer more often than just on hikes. What seeing my dog run on deer does do is give me a first hand account on what happens when a deer is chased. Rather than make up stuff about them being so incredibly stressed by a chase, especially by one who's never experienced it. I don't see how one can have much leverage on a deer's reaction to being chased when they don't witness it.
And that's sort of the claim you're making telling everyone exactly what a deer thinks, reacts and feels while being pursued.
Again, no. I've been stating their reactions, not thoughts. A few quick leaps away from trouble is not the same as a deer running in a flew blown panic. Reading body language gives you insight into their current feelings, not thoughts. Don't confuse the 2.
A coon or bayed hog may have "clear warning of danger" that it's about to die, but at that point death is inevitable so what exactly is the point?
Death isn't inevitable. You're not alerting it to death. You're alerting it to danger. Stepping on twigs or human voice is an alert to incoming danger. Do you not walk around for fear of "alerting animals of their death" because you make a sound that makes them run?
And for that extended amount of time?
What time? Why do you just assume everything is just hours of endless torment and torture? It's minutes. At worst, an hour.
Putting a pack of dogs on an animal however removes nearly if not all of that critters advantage and any sporting chance the animal has to beat the human.
What?! Are you seriously claiming that putting dogs out means the animal can't smell, hear or see incoming danger? All the stuff you listed about being busted doesn't just go away with dogs. Dogs: smelly, loud, bumbling creatures. If a deer busts you by changing wind, then they most certainly will bust a pack of dogs breaking every stick whilst announcing their arrival by loud bays.
Where is that coming from??
I quote all that I reply to, so it's obvious what that reply is to. Quotes are in bold in case you didn't notice.
And again, I don't have to worry about any legal apprehension because any deer chased in done so on private land. Private land owned by my uncle, who's a farmer, and who has to deal with damage to crops caused by all sorts of critters. Chasing the deer off for that instance is far better than killing them.
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