|Tiller- (Skansen's- Ira in the M|
I DO Exist...To- Drive You Batty
|Barked: Sat Dec 22, '12 10:56am PST |
|@ Mulder, I agree that most don't study training theory. The point is that amongst the many schools, included are the "school of idiots giving street advice" or "school of your uncle Ned who always had nice dogs," and that while CM has had impact he is far from the only place in town. I know this will sound bizarro, but I hadn't even heard of the dude prior to Dogster The OP mentioned belly rolling, and that's not him. That's the Monks, and/or everyone who went with that ball. The wolf thing, too. The alpha thing, too. The "be the boss" thing, too. Those come from somewhere different.
@ Gus, some working dogs are indeed neutered. That's not a problem, but if you neuter early you impair drive development, so you would do it when the dog is more than two. Once the drives are developed, neutering isn't always a bad choice, for sex drive can be a distraction.
In terms of females, firstly there is some degree of dog sexism. But other reasons, too. One of the more obvious ones is that a really nice female, in a breeder sense, is a lot more valuable than a really nice male and often would be retained for breeding. Also, until they are fixed, they are moody, was does hamper training. Finally, males tend to be the higher drive. Females, however, tend be higher in social politic, so toughness isn't a question in that context and they often have good drive....and with drive, the "sky's the limit" isn't exactly an objective. You want good drive, but the more you move past that, the more you have a chance that it will complicate training, making the "higher drive" sex somewhat moot. Males also tend to be bigger. Some people, however, swear by female workers.
One of the things I can tell you about teenagers, and it doesn't really matter the species, is that this is an era that partners bravado with anxiety. There can be a second fear imprint stage that can occur up to the time is a year and a half. I always take it to the point of logic, in explanation, that it's a loaded time, where establishing oneself socially is important, but at the same time the mature adults are more fleshed out physically....they are stronger....and also far more experienced when it comes to challenges. So you have to seize every opportunity you have to assert, and/or run like the dickens at the first sign of trouble or being overmatched. The end result is that a teenager can be explosively bold or strikingly skittish.
It's OT because it's a horse thing, Gus, but a really striking moment at one breeding farm I worked at there was a junior stallion (who was three, and as you would know that means quite young) and a senior stallion, who was those huge crested, mellow-but-NOT-nice , eighteen year old. The junior stallion unfathomably cleared his paddock fence one day when everyone was off at a show. I was alone. He had crashed through the broodmare pasture and herded them out, and as he was galloping about spied the senior stallion in his round pen and proceeded, in a really scary visual, to try and scale it to get in and fight. I was worried he'd get his legs stuck between the planks and just stood there aghast. It was incredibly violent. All the while, this senior stallion was just grazing. But once the junior had gotten both front hooves braced over the top rail, the senior dude stopped munching, looked up and stared at him right between the eyes. And with that, the junior sped off like a bat out of hell It was really striking to see. One of those moments that really had me "get" that teenage brain. Seemed like a good idea at first for he was power drunk at the moment and seemed to have an advantage, but it took the most minor, but supremely confident, gesture from the big hoss (and WOW was he a tough horse!) to make the youngster totally abandon his very aggressive mention and run for his life.
That moment really influenced me. It made me get that be they lunging like lunatics or skittish like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs, teenagers aren't really serious about anything they do....they are just environmentally testing and on some massive hormonal cocktail. It will level. Keeping them from bad experiences and keeping them from having the behaviors be too practiced and thereby potentially become habitual is the main point.
Edited by author Sat Dec 22, '12 10:59am PST
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