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|Oh ....that last question was a good one, Gus! I'd be curious to know that, too. Even just a send (away)?
Here's mine....again, The Tiller is *not* saying she is an ecollar expert in any way, I am learning just as you are. Fearful dogs. We hear the ecollar won't work because the dog will shut down. I remember in our original debate I told you there is no way you could do that sort of stuff with a sighthound, quite specifically. I remember this and you told me I was wrong, which really pissed me off and I was hell bent to establish to myself that you were wrong. But you weren't. At any rate, I certainly know you have ecollar worked hard German dogs. So let's say, in contrast, a fearful dog...maybe not even aggressive, but skittish or spooky. With that foundation laid, here is my question....
Do the responses from these two individuals differ in the test for level?
I have a really hard time seeing how they wouldn't? You have one dog who has really strong nerves and feels he owns his world. And the other who is a jitterbug, totally insecure, scared of a paper bag crinkling. I would think that stim sensation would be well tolerated by the hard dog, and have the potential to flip the spooky dog out.
Also, same frame....do you find with a hard dog, you have to go past a setting you are pretty sure he is feeling, but he's just too composed to respond to?
@ Guest....that surely was my enlightenment. People will use this tool, and by berating those who use it properly and humanely, one is leaving the newbie on their own. I have been training dogs a LONG time and also am a horseman. I know how animals train. Was raised around zoo life also. And my perception was that ecollars were used as a classic punisher....you do this wrong and you get zapped. I think this is everyone's normal assumption, and thereby would be how they are used without proper education. Almost inevitably. We can't control what people do. Ecollars sell, people get them. That's real, that's life. And within that I see an ethical responsibility to leave room in the training community for it to be more common knowledge how to do it RIGHT. Not everyone is as evolved as you and did the proper research before employing the training strategy. I do applaud such discretion.
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