|Barked: Sat Dec 1, '12 8:59am PST |
|Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie" wrote,
I will note that I also don't use pinch collars, prong collars, choke chains or the like. I do have a martingale only because my dog is an escape artist, but as I've learned how to thwart his escapes, I've turned to a regular flat collar. I also have a Halti, however, learned how to properly use it before purchasing one. That said, I DO agree that any of those CAN do physical harm.
But I also believe that ANY of those, including ecollars, can do mental damage dependent on the individual dog as well. I know for a fact that my Rottweiler, who was extremely soft in temperament, who was terrified of her own shadow, would have shut down or hit the floor had she had an ecollar used on her - she couldn't even handle sudden movements or raised voices until I built her confidence up.
Again, I do agree they have their use, and I won't deny that, nor will I bash anyone that does or say they're training 'wrong'. I just won't ever use one myself. I am very interested, however, in learning more about them."
I agree that any of those tools "can do mental damage dependent on the individual dog." But I also think that ANY tool/method, including the softer ones, can have the same effect. There's even a scientific study that lends support to this statement.
As to an Ecollar being unsuitable on your fearful dog, I'll have to disagree. I've put Ecollars on dozens of fearful dogs and not one of them had a problem with it. I've got the hands on experience and (I'd bet)you are imagining what it's like, without any experience at all with the tool as used with my methods.
On my site is an anecdote about Roma, the most fearful – aggressive dog that I've ever heard of. To give you an idea, if it was a sunny day, and Roma walked from the shade of a tree into the sunshine, someone was gonna get bit! When I met her, someone nearby closed, not slammed, just closed, a car door. Roma launched up at my face to bite me. This was not a "get−away−from−me−nip." This was an "I have to kill you to survive" response. I worked the recall protocol with the Ecollar and about 25 minutes later, I knelt down and Roma climbed into my lap and started licking my face. A dog that, literally, just a few minutes ago wanted to kill me, was now bonded to me, accepting me as her leader. This is the possibility that exists with low level stim and methods that show the dog that he's in control of when it starts and when it stops. If you'd like to read about Roma you can do so by CLICKING HERE.
As to your comment that "Probably never" would you use an Ecollar ... I'll just say that I've had this same conversation with many people many times. Many of them have later called me and gone to an Ecollar. It was just a matter of them getting the right (wrong for their methods) dog. I'm very glad that you put the conditioner "Probably" in there. It shows that you have an open mind and that if you came across an issue that could not be solved with other methods, at least you'd consider the Ecollar. That's really all that I ask for.
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