|Barked: Fri Nov 30, '12 9:13pm PST |
|Selli, the thing about how you feel about corrections....I have the same sentiment. That and I really don't like using anything where I don't have a reasonable guess as to how it translates. I think we are of like minds. I am a traditionalist trainer and that is how my brain is wired. Think before you do and if you are not certain then don't do it. Period. It's all about the bond and the relationship.
That said, I was pretty bull headed and happily ignorant about the ecollar thing, but did finally get challenged on enough ethical issues to really see their point and application. Would I use one? No. Buuuut.....I don't have to. As for others? And therein my bitter pill.
Lou Castle, I have argued with him before, too. Like a lot. He's a loo loo! But here's the thing. What's he selling? He isn't selling much. He gives seminars. Much to my chagrin, I found SAR people respect him heavily. He doesn't have a training school. He doesn't have a book as far as I know. He gives seminars which are very well received. A whole lot of very embraced trainers are hearing that cash register go with their media sales far more than he is. I know in the aftermath of our epic hornlock, I found him genuine. He celebrates the successes and wants to defend his tool of choice for the good he has seen it do. I don't always agree, but I can't really question his sincerity. He believes in his tool, and if it were about money he'd be doing a Frawley
Where he challenged me was on my own ethics, particularly from a rescue perspective. His term "APO" = "average pet owner." We are so used to surrounding ourselves with these incredibly dog savvy people who have very strong investments in these animals...dedicate their lives. But others simply want their dogs TRAINED. Nothing long and drawn out, no drama. And if my method takes a while....which let's face it, it does; my dogs are finished training wise to strong reliability by their third year....I can't demand everyone follow my lead with that sort of patience and tolerance. I think of some people who are ridding themselves of their dogs and there are some manners to get a dog trained in a quicker way. Even if I don't agree with the method, if it is an option to offer?
And past that did involve myself more open mindedly in discussions with a whole mix of people. Competitive people, SAR people, working dog people, hunters, and realized the use of the ecollar and how pervasive it is, ironically enough, with those who are more positive based and refer to ecollars for polishing and correction. And when things are life and death, is often the training tool of choice. I ultimately had to chastise myself, for that's how I usually evaluate....how methods are employed, how reliable the dogs are, and their enthusiasm.
It doesn't change my mind about my personal decisions, but it definitely has me see people who use them in a different way. I will evaluate them by how they use the ecollar and how bond-based their training is generally. The enthusiasm of their dogs in tandem with those evaluations.
Minimally, I think people need to be informed how ecollars are used, i.e., not pain zappers when the dog does something wrong. This at least gives people like Jasper a chance to share their experiences without fears of some backlash, with abuse getting inferred. That's not right, and I used to be a guilty party. It's not a healthy community when there is a tool that can be used humanely (i.e., no pain, where a dog's responses can be measured without association to the handler) and yet hostility is targeted towards them based on ignorance, misinformation and false studies. If it is to be argued....and that I have no issue with as I do not use them....it needs to be argued on factual basis, such as that it is punisher, the indirectness of it, the *potentials* for abuse, the existence of places such as Sit Means Sit and so on.
Edited by author Fri Nov 30, '12 9:25pm PST
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