|Tiller- (Skansen's- Ira in the M|
I DO Exist...To- Drive You Batty
|Barked: Tue Nov 13, '12 2:53pm PST |
|@ Lobo, I have no issue with you. You put up a regional trainer link. Fantastic! Let her look.
I have never said/will never say high drive dogs can't be trained with R+...or, rewards (for Atlas' sake). The problem with the drive here is that it is functional, and on an under exercised dog. The drive comes in but this breed has very, VERY high territoriality, which can flip into resource guarding. The fundamental problem we are seeing here. You are very well off dealing with someone who has these understandings. Casey Lomanaco had an article pooh-pooh'ing the contributions exercise play in behavior problems. Sorry, but that's wrong. You couple a lack of exercise with a lot of drive, and you are *begging* for a problem. If my, let's say, Lab, is going to start to lash out in an RG way, that is a different dynamic than an AB doing this. He is territorial. He is meant to get aggressive when he perceives territorial threat. So when you have a dog who doesn't have proper boundaries, has energy with nowhere to put it, starts to want to claim ownership of a food source, it's just playing on a different field. For a Lab, this would be very disconcerting. For an AB, you read it differently. That's why I am so psyched the owner wants to work with this dog. He is more asserting than flipping out. He wants that food, and in a measured way is ensuring he gets it. This is not "dominant"...but not being dominant (which I remind is just a word) doesn't mean you can't be assertive. Labs don't really have that genetic. ABs do.
This doesn't preclude an R+ person working with this dog, but given that so many of that community mock high drive as existing, cannot see aggression as functional (which is purely evidenced in this dog), etc., I think the OP would be seriously wasting her time with someone who does not have an established track record working with this breed.
Some here thought he should be euth'd. I understand that, but I understand this breed. Someone like Bryan Hendricks will sort this out. Promptly. Maybe by methods some don't agree with (and I can't even say that for certain, as he would assess this dog and establish what is best), but they will work, give this dog his life back and restore the family to harmony.
The OP is appreciating my comments as what I am saying is connecting. It is clear I know this breed. And I do, very well. This is a VERY good thread for those considering an AB, to remind them you better think long and hard, for this behavior is not untypical. Sadly. It's not they are not stable. They are an EXTREMELY stable breed. But they are highly territorial, do have one heck of a lot less bite discretion than a Lab does, and also are quite sensitive. This is a difficult blend. And as regarding Casey's article...look back at the beginning of this thread. I was predicting this was going to be an under-exercised AB. I am not a swami. It is simply par for the course with ABs.
On record saying punitive mindsets backfire with ABs. I say that all the time with breed promotion. But this does not equate with no use of punishers. If someone were to weird out that he uses them, they need to look at his SUCCESS with this breed. You do not have to agree with him, but that does not mean you can doubt him or his potential for success. He is very skilled with a breed that many fail with. I am talking topend trainers...they fail with. But he campaigns them to the highest level and gets them placing against far easier dogs, such as Mals or GSDs. If you want to doubt his methods...LOOK at that video! At one stage, the dog barks at him in a "hurry up!" sort of a way. Which I find not only charming, but telling....far from a suppressed dog. A happy dog, very willing to speak his mind.
Proof is in the pudding. And it's right THERE. Bryan apprenticed under one of the very top trainers on the east coast, and has gone on with his specialties and excelled with this breed. No one trick pony, being invited to be in a small, selected group to represent the Malinois in international competition. His skill and success cannot be doubted. If you question HOW he got at those results, look at him work his dog. Could you see a dog more positive and willing? We all like body language, so there you go.
If you want to promote more positive trainer options, I think that is great. I....meaning me, myself and I ....don't try a suppress. But nowhere, no way, no how *in this entire universe* can it be said that THIS trainer is not exceptionally well qualified to work with this dog. He lives, eats, breaths and sleeps them. The AB community refers to him. He is an expert. All this quoting of "guidelines" does not make that not so. Those are to keep us safe from hacks, and sadly there are many. Bryan Hendricks sure as hell isn't one of them.
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