'An Untrained Dog Won't Protect Its Owner'

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Baby

What'd you say?- I wasn't- listening.

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 8:36am PST


	I personally feel that many general dogs that are willing to bark and growl for their owner won't always follow through with a bite. I've seen another video by a news station where they test three dogs (I know it's a small number) two of the dogs just walked up to the big scary man that entered the home while the owner was away and said hello. The third, a mutt from a shelter growled and barked menacingly but did not approach. Would it have been different if their owner was being threatened? Maybe. I strongly believe Baby saved me from a terrible fate. A man came to my door saying he was delivering a pizza to me, I felt something was wrong, his delivery car was not there and he had no pizza. He asked if this was the right house and if he could step in. I said no and tried to shut the door but he wedged his hand in there and pushed it back open. Baby came hurdling through the door behind me, hackles raised, barking, growling and standing tall on his back legs to look intimidating (it looks just like what a bear would do). After that Baby pushed me to the side and snarled right in front the man. Needless to say he left very quickly and Baby earned himself a steak haha. Would he have bitten the man? It's possible but I've personally never felt he would do more than be as intimidating as possible -- no matter how strong our bond. He has always kept a watchful eye on me but ignores people for the most part (as he should do for his job). The only times I've seen him do his scary behavior is when a coyote entered our yard unexpectedly and an aggressive, loose dog start started growling aggressively at me. I grew up with two terrific German Shepherds bred specifically to be family dogs. They were just that. We decided we wanted to attend Schutzhund classes with them but for the life of the trainers they couldn't get our dogs to so much as growl. They just stood there calmly and confidently but did nothing else. However, we were walking down the street once and a man forcefully put his hand on my mother's arm and our bitch let out a very angry bark. Would she have bitten? Nothing had ever lead me to believe those dogs would bite let alone would we be able to get a rise out of them. But their mere presence was often enough to make people cross the street to walk by. I'm sorry if someone disagrees with me on the biting thing. I know every dog's different and the few experiences I've had and the few videos I've watched don't mean anything. But my opinion is that I'm sure a lot of dogs are more than likely to bear his or her ground and step between the owner when the need arises. Will most of them bite? I don't think so. I could be wrong, of course, just my two cents

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Kodiak

The cheese ninja

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 9:44am PST


	I don't think protecting the house is necessarily related to protecting the owner. I know for Kody, probably everyone he's ever met in his life has been nice to him. That includes people of all shapes and sizes, homeless people, etc, and he is not territorial. So if someone came to the door, no matter what they looked like, he would be wondering whether they were here to take him for a walk, rub his belly, feed him, or play with him. He wouldn't have any reason to think they were going to hurt him (and I don't think he would particularly care if they stole all our stuff). That's a totally different thing than seeing a true physical threat against one of us. For sure, all that positive experience with humans creates a barrier to wanting to bite anyone. I don't think he would bite someone just for skulking around or approaching us. But I think if we were screaming, bleeding, etc, that he would.

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Tyler

Whippy- The- Whipador

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 10:02am PST


	Lucille, Ty's done the same to strange men we come across sometimes. Hackles raised, standing his ground, barking, he sure looks the part but i'm convinced he would never follow through on his actions and actually bite someone. Even had one guy ask if it was safe to pass him once!

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Farley

Farlekiin the- Dragonborn

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 11:34am PST


	Baby- Farley did the same thing to a cable repair man once.. except he actually was the cable repair man.. Farley greeted him fine at first, then the man went into the basement to check a connection, and when he came running up the stairs towards me in his heavy boots, that was when Farley reacted. Edited by author Thu May 10, '12 11:35am PST

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Ripley

1240817

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 11:59am PST


	I watched that video before on youtube. It's ridiculous. And very misleading. I did canine security with 3 "trained" dogs from a canine security company and finally told the company I wanted to use my own Rottweiler (who was not "trained" for guard or protection work). Their dogs left me feeling pretty vulnerable at work. One "trained" dog would even hide behind me when people approached. I never had any issues when I used my own Rottweiler. And one of the sites was notorious for having guards and their dogs (trained) chased off the site. It's not just the training of the dog.. a big part is the personality / temperament. Some dogs (regardless of breed) are not protective... they just aren't. Not every dog can be trained for personal protection.. they have to be selected / evaluated just as with any other type of job dogs are trained / used for. My Rottweiler was protective. He was also from working German lines. In the video it is obvious they carefully selected dogs for the untrained demonstrations that were not instinctively protective. The individuals used to "trigger" the dogs also approached all the untrained dogs differently then the trained ones. They were clearly more overtly threatening with the trained ones so the dogs couldn't possibly miss their cues. And all the trained dogs were approached with a threatening person wearing a bite sleeve. It often happens that the dogs learn only to bite a person wearing the sleeve... on the sleeve. So hopefully the person that threatens you is also wearing a bite sleeve. lol

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Bailey

There's nothing- in my mouth, I- swear!

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 12:06pm PST


	Lucille - Thanks for that, I've honestly never seen or actually heard of terriers or small dogs being trained for protection, but I do believe a lot of them would actually be good at it! Baby - Wow I'm glad you're okay and that Baby protected you when he felt he needed to! I've heard a lot of stories about dogs not letting their owners go certain places because they can just sense that somethngs not right, and end up saving their owners' lives because of it! Last summer my brother was in our above-ground pool and just for fun was yelling for Bailey to help him. Well Bailey immediately reacted and jumped right from a standing position into the 4 1/2 foot pool and swam over to make sure he was alright! Also about the trained PPD...do you think since they're trained to bite those thick sleeves that they'd hesitate to bite an actual persons arm or get confused as to where they bite? You can't really train them to bite a persons arm or leg so how do you know if they actually would or not..? Just thinking out loud here

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Gizmo

13- Years- Young!

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 12:19pm PST


	It's funny, I was thinking about dogs and wondered if any little dogs could be trained as a PPD...but then I thought probably not because they don't have the drive...But IF there is a small dog with a crazy drive would you be able to train it for personal protection, or would it just not work-out the same? I've never personally seen a small breed dog trained for actual PPD work-while there are certainly drivey small dogs out there- it seems pretty impractical. Here are some videos of a Smooth Fox Terrier and some JRT's doing sport work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YBfZH81Ec4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIXQnbc2Rsk&feature=related http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxXVEdDb8Ws http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= ylPHguUbQWw&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTN5kTkdv ME&feature=related

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D'artagnan

I'm not lazy,- I'm just waiting- to play..

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 3:28pm PST


	Personal Protection Doxie just made my day I agree with everyone else, that is a ridiculously done experiment. I think my favorite part is when she used the same cue with the untrained dogs as the trained ones like it was magically going to work. I definitely think Dar would protect me in the way of lots of noise. He likes to alert us to every noise outside of Our door anyway. He also likes to snarl and bark and chase those 'evil' dogs trying to get some love from me at the dog park I do feel in general he can be a bit of a wuss, but one time he got kicked (he was behind me and I thought he just got stepped on at first, or there would have been a lot more kicking...) And Dar just turned around and started lunging and barking at the guy so I feel he has SOME protection instinct.

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Cain

Q.E.D., baby,- Q.E.D.!

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 4:20pm PST


	"It's not just the training of the dog.. a big part is the personality / temperament. Some dogs (regardless of breed) are not protective... they just aren't. Not every dog can be trained for personal protection.. they have to be selected / evaluated just as with any other type of job dogs are trained / used for."

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Bailey

There's nothing- in my mouth, I- swear!

Barked: Thu May 10, '12 4:37pm PST


	Wow Gizmo thanks for that! It's funny to see little terriers hanging on just like bigger Shepherds would. I also like how they use the same giant sleeve because the bite would hurt just as much But I still wonder if the dogs only know to bite when somebody has a sleeve and how they train a dog to bite somebody without a sleeve on

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