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Resource Guarding in a puppy.

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Barked: Tue May 8, '12 7:43am PST 
@Kodiak- that's a sad thing and I'm glad you at least tried to give the other dog a chance.

Sounds like he just had a very low threshold and you probably would have not been able to give Kodiak a treat or a bone unless he was secured in a crate, and probably toys would have been out, too.

I'm not even sure what kind of home a dog like that belongs in- def. one with no other pets and maybe it would be safe to eliminate kids from the equasion, too.
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Shiver Me- Timbers- "Charlie"

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Barked: Tue May 8, '12 9:31am PST 
Keep in mind, resource guarding CAN be worked on, but it is a long process that takes a lot of time and patience to do(you can't just drop a dish in the crate and be done with it). That said, if you know you can't handle it, or can't work on it, that is YOUR decision and you have every right to make it and I fully understand you not wanting to put Ava in danger either of a dog fight.

My foster dog Beau had a lot of resource guarding problems. He'd guard the couch/bed/furniture he was on, his food dish, toys, chews, crate, etc. He even guarded from Charlie and ONE fight did break out at one point thanks to people tossing treats over my fence. And the biggest problem? I found out AFTER I took him on as a foster.

The number one thing I started off with working on was trust. Earning his trust and helping him to trust me. All good things brought treats. I never invaded his space. I let him come to me, always, for any pets or affection instead of the other way around. I exercised the heck out of him. I did everything I could to make it so that I was amazing and he wanted everything to do with me. Then I started working on his resource guarding AFTER. Initially, I kept him and Charlie separated. During feeding time, I had them in different rooms, then slowly built them up to being in the same room, but tied to opposite sides of the room.

I kept everything under Beau's threshold and built up his threshold so that I could eventually sit next to him with my hand in his food dish without any reaction. But this took me MONTHS of work and I still never fed him and Charlie together - just had them eating their food at the same time in the same room. But it got to the point where he was fine with people being around his dish and that was the biggest thing of all. I never let him on furniture, so he couldn't guard that. He was leashed most of the time he was with me to prevent such things from possibly happening. I'd ask him to go into his crate and instead of closing the crate door, I'd toss him treats, then walk away and take a break and repeat. I built it up to being able to put stuffed kongs in his kennel before he entered so that I could get the door shut behind him so he didn't feel the need to snap at my hands and remove the empty kong later without reaction. He stopped guarding his crate.

I was the first and only foster parent that had ever had him previously WITHOUT ever being bit by him. If he had ANY signs of getting stressed, tense or upset, I backed off and left him alone. I taught him that barking to tell me to back off was better than snapping or biting. I learned what his triggers were and what he was okay with. Did I get snapped at? Twice. Only with his crate, and only because I had never been told he guarded his crate too. I only knew he guarded his food, which he never got in a dish anyway.

Working with this puppy will take a lot of time and patience. And in a puppy so young, I'm amazed. But it CAN be worked on. Can she ever eat side by side with the other dogs? Probably not. But you can work it up to her being okay with you being beside the crate while she eats. Professional help is your best bet, especially with positive reinforcement. I used quite a few of Dr. Sophia Yin's techniques for getting Beau okay with me around his food dish and her clips helped a lot with that. Learning WHAT behaviors to watch for as warning signs helped even more than that.

Rehoming her IS absolutely an option if you don't feel safe working with her. Working on it is entirely up to you and whether or not you have the time, patience and ability to do so with the guidance of a professional behaviorist/trainer. Don't try to kid yourself if deep down, you know you can or cannot. Only you can make that decision and being honest with yourself and the dog will be better for both of you in the long run. hug
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Sabi

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Barked: Tue May 8, '12 5:10pm PST 
Trigger "I don't buy the whole vaccine thing...but I realize that's become a near religion to some." Really? I agree with the research for yourself part but have you?
The easy part about kennel aggression is that it happens when the dogs are in their crates, and this does sound like kennel aggression not resource guarding. I would continue feeding by hand and supervising the dogs together. But you also need to find her threshold with the crate. How close is too close? Once you have established that then it is just a matter of reducing it until it goes away. Sit just outside her threshold and talk to her. Inch closer and as soon as she tenses stop and keep talking. Yummy treats and lots of praise work wonders. Don't give up yet, Shadow freaks if the other dogs go near her crate but she is fine otherwise. Super submissive and sweet.
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Barked: Tue May 8, '12 7:32pm PST 
"Really? I agree with the research for yourself part but have you?"

Yes "really." I have.

Just because people have come to different conclusions after the fact than you have doesn't mean they're ignorant.
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Ava

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Barked: Tue May 8, '12 7:42pm PST 
I've gotta say I'm impressed you've kept her this long already. When I took in a foster, I sent her back almost immediately... I let her stay overnight, but she had to go back the next morning. She was extremely aggressive towards my Ava--this was before we got Nix, thank goodness... She wasn't a puppy though, she was adult and very much used to winning fights and getting what she wanted. I had no idea how bad she was before I took her (otherwise I would not have) and the rescue only sugar-coated her issues. Then again, I would be even more concerned about this behavior coming from a puppy, because they've had little time and experience to blame on that kind of behavior, so there's a good chance it's genetics, in which case it MIGHT not even be fixable.

I'd think long and hard about whether this is something you want to deal with. It could be do-able, but at what cost, and is it fair to your Ava? She sounds to me like she'd be better suited to a home with no other pets and no small children, but it has to be your decision. Don't let anyone make you feel bad about your choice, whatever it might be. smile

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Sabi

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Barked: Tue May 8, '12 8:50pm PST 
Just because people have come to different conclusions after the fact than you have doesn't mean they're ignorant.


That was my point.

I KNOW Shadow was damaged by the vaccines, I just don't know how much of the damage was caused by them and how much they just finished off.
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Ava, NTD

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Barked: Tue May 8, '12 9:24pm PST 
Thanks for all the input everyone. I really appreciate it, but Miya returned home today. She was honestly just too much for me to deal with and I couldn't risk Ava getting attacked over something. It made me feel horrible to send her back today, but I think it was right. I don't know if its something fixable, like several people pointed out, and I don't want to deal with something lifelong like that. Does that sound horrible? It feels horrible to say it. I mean, we have toys everywhere around the house. Bullysticks everywhere. We've never had to separate anyone at meal time. And to have none of that available for Ava and Snickers wouldn't be fair to them. And poor Ava - she just didn't understand what would happen when Miya went from playtime to snapping and she kept trying to approach her with playbows, her tail wagging, and little soft woos. It was sad and kinda scary to watch.

The thought of being crate aggressive crossed my mind, but I don't think that fit. After the first freak out, I didn't let them have any toys out - especially not any of Miya's toys - because I didn't want to risk it. She did snap and lunge at us (the humans) if we walked to close to her bowl while she was eating dinner alone in the backyard, if we reached toward something of hers or wanted her to leave it. She "claimed" something in my kitchen and, while I was at work, nearly attacked my dad when he tried to get her to leave it. As a precaution, I crated her while I fed the other two and she couldn't stand that at all. She had already eaten dinner then, but she managed to be able to glimpse a little bit of a bowl while they ate and went crazy. That was probably my fault for not taking them completely out of view, but I thought it was good enough.

I really couldn't feel right to keep her when there was so much going on. Today, I asked my dad to bring her to work so that her owners could come and get her and he had a lot of issues with her today as well. I did talk to the owner for a long time about her, I gave training tips, referred them to Ava's trainer, and just tried to give some general info. We might even get them together to play at a park somewhere eventually because they did do so great together, as long as there was nothing around that set her off. I told them to get ahold of me if they need anything and I'll try and help them out, so I didn't just dump her back with them and hope for the best. That makes me feel a little bit better. And I don't want you all to think I'm making her out to be some little hellhound because she isn't. She can be very sweet and cuddly and is pretty perfect, except for the guarding and maybe the skittishness.

I just feel bad about it red face
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Barked: Wed May 9, '12 11:23am PST 
"That was my point.

I KNOW Shadow was damaged by the vaccines, I just don't know how much of the damage was caused by them and how much they just finished off."

I never said or implied anything about anyone else being ignorant. You however, did.

The point remains mine lol.

(Edited the rest...just isn't worth it party )


Ava - you absolutely did the right thing in my view for what that's worth. If one is committed to the 100% management of a very unstable dog like that then more power to them I suppose. Not my cup of tea but some people like taking on a dog like that. I don't at all blame you for not wanting to sign up for it though, especially in light of the concern for your other dog (and lets face it, your entire family). I would have done the exact same thing, although like Ava (the other one lol) I likely wouldn't have even given her nearly as many chances as you did. I hope whoever this dog ends up with she doesn't ever actually hurt someone as it sounds like she is absolutely capable. Please don't feel guilty, you didn't create her to be this way and cleaning up such a mess isn't your responsibility.

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