Oh it doesn't hurt when i use a choke chain. (Snide smirk here)- mostly a rant but opinions welcome

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Bruno CGC

Honorary Kelpie

Barked: Fri Mar 30, '12 11:13am PST


	Tuna, I'd quit that guy right now. If you're uncomfortable with his methods, even if they work for HIM, they will never work for you. You have to be confident and comfortable with any training method you use. I think group classes are usually a better starting point than private training anyway... they're cheaper (of course) and your dog also gets practice in being around other dogs (without getting to play with them! That's an important lesson) and being away from home. If you're looking for a positive reinforcement trainer (and I think you should) try the APDT Trainer Search .

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Joy du Fond- des Camps

Bully

Barked: Fri Mar 30, '12 11:46am PST


	Tuna, the best method is the one you and your dog are confortable with. I suggest you read things about calming signals to know if your dog is ok with something, or not. This is something I think every dog owner should learn, as it gives you a lot of information about how "clear" your communication is. Bruno has given you a useful link. You should check it out! Good luck with your dog ;-)

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Twister

Love me.

Barked: Fri Mar 30, '12 12:03pm PST


	Totally agree that Tuna should not need a martingale right now, I would also look for a positive puppy group class. Martingale's worked good with Twister, but he chewed his up so I guess he didn't like it so now I usually just have his harness on and he does good. He loves his harness. Joy, I think your English is pretty good, no need to apologize! My fiance grew up in Belgium and they have a Yorkie over there, I should ask how they trained her...or if they did training, heh heh. Usually when he talks about her it's how she is barking at cats, and jumping onto their brick wall and getting stuck going after them. It is hard not to say anything when you see someone training a dog in a way you know is going to do damage, but it is best to walk away (and show off your own dog, lol)...but if they are actually physically harming a dog like the crazy lady in the news that threw the 3 pibble pups at the dude (guess that doesn't actually have to do with training though), then, well...

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Shasta

Speed Demon

Barked: Fri Mar 30, '12 11:53pm PST


	I do not care for choke collars at all, they have never worked for me. A dog actually has an odd instinct to continue to pull when he feels that sort of pressure. I use a training-collar [not sure the 'technical' name for it sorry] instead. It tightens a very very tiny bit, but it has metal bars that 'poke' the dogs neck. They do not hurt the dog at all [well of course you're jerking the leash as hard as you can], they remind him that he needs to slow down & mind his manners. I do not use my training-collar for the actual training though, only as a reminder once the dog already knows "Heel". To train I just a regular 4-ft leash & a nylon collar... I work it a few small steps/commands at a time and start it even when they're puppies just learning how to walk on a leash. The easiest/least 'painful' way I have found is a Gentle Lead Headcollar, works superb for if you want immediate results. It's similar to how a halter works on a horse, when the dog pulls, it slowly tightens around the muzzle/puts pressure on the back of their neck [so it works opposite of what choke collar does - those put pressure on front of neck]. The instant dog stops pulling, all pressure is released. It didn't make my dog, Shasta, go into a perfect show-stopping heel, but it kept him from pulling, and if he ever started looking/wanting to go somewhere else, just a quick jerk on the leash & his head would turn right up at me. Only problem with the headcollar is well yes it fits similar to how a muzzle does [it does not impair the dog at ALL in ANY sort of mouth-movement when put on correctly], and so for dogs I've used it on, they squirm & wiggle around for a while which is annoying... Again, I do not like choke chains at all, they have never worked for me. I have never known them to actually hurt a dog however.

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Otto

Super cute,- super sweet,- super pit!

Barked: Sat Mar 31, '12 12:07am PST


	"The GSD looked at the puppy and curiously bent down to maybe sniff. There was no growling its mouth wasn't open nothing vicious at all. But the owner of the GSD suddenly yanked the dog several times by the choke chain telling her "NO GENTLE!" and drawing a huge scene. the dog was backing away from him in fear and i felt so bad for her. " I HATE when that happens! Like I knew a couple little boys who came over to play with my dogs; Otto, my pit, well... He's still a puppy learning his manners on 'dont jump on new people' So he would sometimes try to jump on the little boys [usually it was more just standing up/jumping up than actually putting paws on them], and eventually he would calm down... so one time he simply walked up to them to just hang out, and they started yelling at him "NO! BAD OTTO! YOU STAY DOWN!" Poor little Otto was just so confused, he looked at me with his head tilted & if he could have a tear in his eye I swear he would... his little face read "Why am I a bad dog? I just want to say hello... I minded my manners this time too..." I knew that I couldn't get too mad at the boys... they had no clue the impression they just gave Otto.... so I told them "Okay how about nobody scolds Otto but me?" and then I gave them the mostly-true excuse "He doesnt understand what you guys mean, he'll only listen to me" [sorry, done ranting now ; ) ]

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Barked: Sat Mar 31, '12 1:32am PST


	Wrong definitely wrong I hope they'll realize that act is not a good tool to train your dog besides there are more reliable training tools available somewhere and not that cruel way teaching your pet a lesson. Blue Dog Collar

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MIKA&KAI

Akita Pals- Always.

Barked: Mon Apr 2, '12 9:54am PST


	Guest, I checked into the link you posted and the "Blue Dog Collar" you suggested is in fact a "designer" version of the "matingale" or "choke chain" Just thought you might want to know that for future reference. As I stated in my earlier post there may be cases where a certain tool used properly has it's place,and typically the problem is the person behind the tool and not the tool itself. I must say there are many beautiful collars on the site.