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Chingu
Born to chase- squirrels |
 | | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 6:28am PST | |  | |  | | Ok, so I live in South Korea where dog is served as dinner so pet ownership is not what it is in the west. I know abuse happens in the US but here its more open because there isn't much that can be done.
That said, the building across the street from me has an outdoor dog cage built of concrete. When I first arrived here 7 months ago there was a dog in this cage but he disappeared not too long after. Anyways this cage has since remained empty much to my relief until a couple days ago.
There is now a new dog in it and he is forced to sit in this cage, outside, day in and day out. Often times he is forced to sit in his own feces until the owner decides to hose down the cage and wash the feces down a hole in the center of the cage.
This dog is so sad and it makes me tear up just thinking about it. The past couple of days I've tried to go visit and bring treats and pet him a little just to give him some attention, but I don't know what else I can do.
One time I tried to bring my dog, Chingu, over but Chingu was so excited and couldn't stop barking and it appeared to really frighten the other dog so I didn't want to let Chingu too close (Chingu is also a rescue who I've had about 5 months and I've never seen him close to other dogs so I'm not sure how friendly he'd be up close).
If I thought my dog and this one could get along I'd offer the owner money or something and try to buy this dog and let him live with me. It wouldn't be ideal as we live in a very small apartment but it has to be better than that cage.
Any advice on finding a safe way to see if Chingu and this other dog could get along? If all else fails I'm going to try (the lanaguage barrier makes it difficult) to see if they'll let me walk to the poor dog occassionally, but any other ideas on how to help this dog?
Unfortunately animal protection laws here aren't really enforced and as a foreigner complaining I can't really do much, but this dog just makes me so sad.Edited by author Fri Jul 3, '09 6:33am PST
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Kahuna
Only my cover is- scary. Read my- book. |
 | | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 9:25am PST | | | | | | What are they doing or going to do with the dog? As in why do they have it at all, do you know/suspect? Bit weird to just sit outside in a cage all day. What's the point?
Do Jindo's get along with other dogs? He's a stray, so you've not much background on him. Is he reactive on lead when out walking him? | | | | |
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Chamois
"that's my- favorite thing" |
| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 10:48am PST | | | | | | heartbreaking 
I think buying him would mean a different dog in that pen soon, especially if the owner got more from you than he can get another dog for.
Walking him, cleaning his pen, sitting beside to and talking to him would all ease his situation a bit (probably leave your dog home then since that dog is scared of yours). But I don't know what you'd convey to the neighbor if you asked to do it. I mean, I weed our flowerbeds, but I'll go out once or twice a week or so and not twice a day like our neighbor does... if she start doing ours, that would be kinda insulting. I know dogs are different, but your neighbor might not think so. | | | | |
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Sherpa Tanuk- of Everest
Pumpkin King |
| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 11:40am PST | | | | | | Asian cultures are also very different from American, it's no telling what their reaction would be if you asked to take care of their dog. They might very well think you're insulting their abilities. And as horrible as it sounds....that dog might not be a pet...if you take my meaning. | | | | |
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Trigger
Tennis ball- OBSESSED!!! |
| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 11:54am PST | | | | | | I know lots of dogs that prefer to live outdoors rather than reside inside the home. I know for some it's tough to open the mind to that possibility but just because a dog lives outside doesn't mean it's miserable.
Trigger is a good example. The first year I had him it was tough to get him to come inside at all from his outdoor kenneled in space, even in the evenings or when it was raining. He just loved being outside and watching the neighbors and birds and bugs. For him it was stimulation he couldn't get lazing around the house most of the day. Now that he's getting a bit older there's nothing he loves more than to snooze all day every day on his gigantic pillow in my room but at that time he appreciated being out all day every day.
If the dog is being neglected or mistreated that's one thing, but simply keeping a dog outside in and of itself isn't necessarily neglect or mistreatment. | | | | |
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Chingu
Born to chase- squirrels |
| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 1:42pm PST | | | | | | My dog is very dog reactive. Whenever we see another dog when we're out, he always lunges to try and go over and starts barking loudly. His bark to me sounds like his, "hey i just want to go look at that bark," but I just don't know what he'd do, so we never get close enough to find out.
As far as offending the neighbors I don't really care about that. I'm not even clear on who the owners are so if I make them angry there isn't much they can do, but I might try and approach it in the most 'saving face' manner as possible. Maybe if I ask to walk the dog with something along the lines of, 'he is so beautiful and reminds me of my dog back home it would make me so happy to walk him,' might be a more successful approach.
As for why they have him I don't know. He's too painfully thin to be dinner and generally those dogs are raised on dog farms although its a possibility. Someone once told me the last dog was a guard dog, but I don't see how he could be much of one in that cage, and he's so submissive and scared.
This isn't just a dog hanging out outside. This dog is in a small concrete cage where there is little room and half the time is sitting in his own poop because he simply can't sit anywhere else in the cage.
I know if I managed to free this dog he'd only be replaced by another, which is why I wish there was someway to stop this person from getting more dogs.
I know its a different culture but its just so blantantly cruel I think. The dog is clearly miserable and cries everyday. Many people here leave their dogs on chains outside but at least they have some freedom to move and I've noticed more and more owners try and walk their chained dogs a bit, so this man has to know better. I know this stuff goes on everywhere its just that now I see this everyday and its right in my face and it feels wrong to do nothing. | | | | |
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Chamois
"that's my- favorite thing" |
| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 2:14pm PST | | | | | | I think the "so beautiful, reminds me" approach is a good idea.
Part of the offending thing is they probably wouldn't let you walk him if they are offended. | | | | |
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Trigger
Tennis ball- OBSESSED!!! |
| | Barked: Fri Jul 3, '09 3:05pm PST | | | | | | Because of the shape he's in perhaps they tried to rescue him from someone else that was treating him worse?
Maybe that's why he's outside too, because he's unhandleable at this point and not used to the inside? Could be that's why it's tough to keep his area clean, maybe he's very aggressive due to his past and that makes taking care of him difficult.
Or they could just be horrific owners. Obviously I don't know and don't feel comfortable passing judgement on someone's situation without knowing the whole story... | | | | |
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