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This is a place to gain some understanding of dog behavior and to assist people in training their dogs and dealing with common behavior problems, regardless of the method(s) used. This can cover the spectrum from non-aversive to traditional methods of dog training. There are many ways to train a dog. Please avoid aggressive responses, and counter ideas and opinions with which you don't agree with friendly and helpful advice. Please refrain from submitting posts that promote off-topic discussions. Keep in mind that you may be receiving advice from other dog owners and lovers... not professionals. If you have a major problem, always seek the advice of a trainer or behaviorist!
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Ruckus FZBT,- CB4, MHI1
Raising a ruckus- since 2001! |
 | | Barked: Mon Dec 4, '06 11:22pm PST | |  | |  | | Wait! Wait! I have something to add!!!
I don't want to rehash anything that's been said, let's just say I tend to agree more with those who don't care for Cesar, for training reasons having NOTHING to do with his immigration status.
I read something that really hit home this past weekend. I was flipping through the latest issue of Bark Magazine, and read the article with Karen Pryor (who I greatly admire for her work not only with dogs but marine mammals - other animals I find fascinating.) When asked about Cesar, she said (this is not verbatim, but generally what she said) that Cesar makes it seem like you have to have some sort of special personality character to train dogs, some sort of magic quality, and you don't. Training is science, and anyone can do it.
I LOVED that!! It's true - too often I have students tell me they don't have that "special quality" that you need to train dogs. Yes, timing is important. Yes, calmness and assertiveness are important. But training is a skill, and, like any skill, can be aqcuired and honed with practice. Of course some people are going to be better at it than others, as with anything. But I think too many people put Cesar on a pedestal (that perhaps he put himself on in the first place), when really you don't need anything magical to train a dog - just a relationship and some science! |  |  | |  |
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Ruckus FZBT,- CB4, MHI1
Raising a ruckus- since 2001! |
| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 12:33am PST | | | | | | Fair enough Kitai - I agree so much has to do with perception!
Admittedly, I haven't seen his show in a little while. I think a lot of it is other people doing the hyping - how he "has a way" with dogs and such. A lot of people feel that if they don't have that 'natural' ability or personality, or they don't immediately see results, they can't train their dog. Which we all know isn't the case!
This is an interesting discussion, to say the least, and MUCH more mature and civil than many other online discussions I've witnessed regarding Cesar. Dogsters *are* awesome! | | | | |
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Kitai
Chia Kitai!
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| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 1:25am PST | | | | | | And I agree that there are plenty of people who do hype him in the manner you describe.
I also agree with your comment that there are some people who have a "way" with animals. I am lucky to be one of them. My whole life animals and kids have been drawn to me so perhaps I've had it a little easier then some when it comes to training my pups because I am a calm assertive person by nature. But there are plenty of areas in my life where I did start from scratch and really had to discipline and train myself to become proficient at things that others found much easier then I. I think you are right on the mark when you said that anyone who applies themself can learn how to be a good trainer. I don't think it's beyond any of us.
By the way Ruckus, you are gorgeous! Mom considered both the Tervuren and Groenendael once but got Kotaro the Beauceron instead. | | | | |
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Vincent
for Rio - CYSTS BE GONE!!
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| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 5:10am PST | | | | | | I think the people who don't like Cesar would find more in his latest season that they'd approve of - he's showing a lot more methods of working with dogs. Less of the "old school" methods. And just think - maybe clicker and positive training (my choices) will be equally vilified in 20 years.
I'm surprised that the TV gurus haven't started filming some more dog training shows, clearly it's popular. I check my DVR every week - there's really not much on TV at all. I enjoy the show, I'm happy to see anything about dog behaviour on TV! | | | | |
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Lola
Is that cookie- for me? |
| | Barked: Tue Dec 5, '06 5:37am PST | | | | | | We love Ceasar! Haven't been able to watch him much... I use some of his techs on my dog and even some dogs I don't know... before each episode it states not to try these techs without professional help/advice or whatnot.
Anyway, I believe Ceasar isn't much different from any TV personality. Personally, I hate Kelly Rippa. ( Whatever her name is ). I strongly dislike Jim Carey. I disagree with ALL the "Super" and "911" Nannies, and frankly, Martha IS a crook.
I Love Anna Nicole Smith, think Keifer Sutherland is sexy, and Brittany Spears is trailer trash wrapped in bubblegum. I believe that Bob Barker is a womanizer and if you watch carefully, he doesn't like "ugly" women touch him without showing some small degree of disgust.
While not ALL of his techniques apply to every dog, he has had a big impact on the dog owning population. Even if you don't like him, you have to admit, some of what he says does and can make a difference in the life of people who know absolutely nothing about dogs. | | | | |
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